HALion 7

[Jac459]

I'll probably get banned for posting in this thread. It seems like if you just joined KVR, you are immediately suspect and everyone comes after you as some sort of spectre from past threads.

The only reason I joined KVR is because I wanted to compliment the designer of an alternate skin for UAD's PolyMAX synth.

Anyway, I own both HALion 7 and Falcon 3. They each have their strengths. But here's what I consider to be the advantages of HALion over Falcon:

HALion has a proper browser and not just a basic folder-based organization of presets as in Falcon.
The HALion factory library is so, so much better and more comprehensive than the default Falcon library that it's simply no contest.
The FM synthesizer in HALion 7 is much more sophisticated and powerful than the basic FM synth in Falcon that it is again no contest.
This is perhaps a matter of taste, but I greatly prefer the VA synthesis features in HALion.
Although HALion has fewer subtractive filter types, I think they sound better than those in Falcon.
The spectral oscillator in HALion 7 is much more advanced and flexible than the one in Falcon.
While a bit too icon heavy and as a result somewhat more arcane, the HALion UI is more understandable than that of Falcon.
The sampling features in HALion are much more advanced and easier to use than those in Falcon.

Hope this helps.

Hello, to be clear, I didn't post about Falcon to create a war Falcon vs HALion, it is because while I am interrested by HALion as it seems quite powerful and awesome, I am also hesitating as I already have Falcon (and love it despite its few flaws).

You got me curious with the HALion presets because I really really love the Falcon's one, so I will have a try.

I will also look at the Spectral part as it seems to be an high point of the tool.

Thank you very much for your answers, it is very helpful !

[Radio Silence]

Hello, to be clear, I didn't post about Falcon to create a war Falcon vs HALion, it is because while I am interrested by HALion as it seems quite powerful and awesome, I am also hesitating as I already have Falcon (and love it despite its few flaws).

You got me curious with the HALion presets because I really really love the Falcon's one, so I will have a try.

I will also look at the Spectral part as it seems to be an high point of the tool.

Thank you very much for your answers, it is very helpful !

Haha. Absolutely no need for a HALion vs Falcon war. They are not only both great software samplers but also terrific instruments.

I own a bunch of the UVI "Vintage Vault" sampled instrument collections along with all of the company's "Synth Anthology" libraries. I wish UVI had put in a bit more effort creating truly expressive sampled instruments that relied on all of the powerful synthesis features of Falcon. But still, these libraries are very useful if a bit overpriced for what you get, IMO.

It's too bad that there are so few 3rd party libraries for HALion. That's where UVI really shines (in terms of their wealth of in-house libraries and not necessarily 3rd party library support where Kontakt wins hands down).

I think if you are creating your own sounds, HALion is probably the way to go. But if you are relying on preset synth libraries, Falcon is hard to beat.

[WasteLand]

I understand that Halion is a great sampler but when I look at the Steinberg site, I see a strong marketing on fm synthesis, spectral synthesis, wavetable, ... what do you think about the synthesis capacity of Halion?

...

take a sample that you made yourself, through it into the wavetable, tweak a bit, nice sound; record it and load it in the spectral synth.... tweak the spectral synth and you get... well...

Thanks, that was indeed part of my question, I am a fan of spectral synthesis, so what I understand from what you say is that the spectral part of HALion rocks, correct ?

it f*cking rocks.

thé spectral synth does not exist, in my view, even the spectral synth in Metasynth seems, well (i don't have a MAC, so i can't check it). well Novum from Dawesome also f'*cking rocks, as Abyss.

but still, i work now with it for a few hours, while i am tired, but already get from my own strange samples, or via phases (of treatment) results that i can really use for my own music.

it has a lot of possibilities, it is also the combination of settings, and what the source is, of course.

and the wavetable synthesis, i must recheck it with other wavetable synths i have, is out-of-the-world. i mean specific: the resynthesis, as you can call, it from a (own) sample...
well that gives also a lot of possibilities, and i am startled.

so, these opinions, after only working with Halio 7 for a few hours, with presets from scratch and my own (home brewed) samples.

i am only scratching the surface, yet. it is strange thing of beauty.

[felis]

Thanks, that was indeed part of my question, I am a fan of spectral synthesis, so what I understand from what you say is that the spectral part of HALion rocks, correct ?

You can try it and see for yourself: https://www.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/halion/trial/

[Jac459]

I understand that Halion is a great sampler but when I look at the Steinberg site, I see a strong marketing on fm synthesis, spectral synthesis, wavetable, ... what do you think about the synthesis capacity of Halion?

...

take a sample that you made yourself, through it into the wavetable, tweak a bit, nice sound; record it and load it in the spectral synth.... tweak the spectral synth and you get... well...

Thanks, that was indeed part of my question, I am a fan of spectral synthesis, so what I understand from what you say is that the spectral part of HALion rocks, correct ?

it f*cking rocks.

thé spectral synth does not exist, in my view, even the spectral synth in Metasynth seems, well (i don't have a MAC, so i can't check it). well Novum from Dawesome also f'*cking rocks, as Abyss.

but still, i work now with it for a few hours, while i am tired, but already get from my own strange samples, or via phases (of treatment) results that i can really use for my own music.

it has a lot of possibilities, it is also the combination of settings, and what the source is, of course.

and the wavetable synthesis, i must recheck it with other wavetable synths i have, is out-of-the-world. i mean specific: the resynthesis, as you can call, it from a (own) sample...
well that gives also a lot of possibilities, and i am startled.

so, these opinions, after only working with Halio 7 for a few hours, with presets from scratch and my own (home brewed) samples.

i am only scratching the surface, yet. it is strange thing of beauty.

I own Novum too and I love it too in particular for pads of course.
On spectral, I am also a big fan of DS Thorn. I don't really understand how this synth is so cheap because it is a freaking awesome bass and machine.

HALion indeed seems a pure beast....

[Jac459]

Hello, to be clear, I didn't post about Falcon to create a war Falcon vs HALion, it is because while I am interrested by HALion as it seems quite powerful and awesome, I am also hesitating as I already have Falcon (and love it despite its few flaws).

You got me curious with the HALion presets because I really really love the Falcon's one, so I will have a try.

I will also look at the Spectral part as it seems to be an high point of the tool.

Thank you very much for your answers, it is very helpful !

Haha. Absolutely no need for a HALion vs Falcon war. They are not only both great software samplers but also terrific instruments.

I own a bunch of the UVI "Vintage Vault" sampled instrument collections along with all of the company's "Synth Anthology" libraries. I wish UVI had put in a bit more effort creating truly expressive sampled instruments that relied on all of the powerful synthesis features of Falcon. But still, these libraries are very useful if a bit overpriced for what you get, IMO.

It's too bad that there are so few 3rd party libraries for HALion. That's where UVI really shines (in terms of their wealth of in-house libraries and not necessarily 3rd party library support where Kontakt wins hands down).

I think if you are creating your own sounds, HALion is probably the way to go. But if you are relying on preset synth libraries, Falcon is hard to beat.

Thanks for your help, I am downloading now !

[Jac459]

Thanks, that was indeed part of my question, I am a fan of spectral synthesis, so what I understand from what you say is that the spectral part of HALion rocks, correct ?

You can try it and see for yourself: https://www.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/halion/trial/

Yes I am doing that .

[WasteLand]

I own Novum too and I love it too in particular for pads of course.
On spectral, I am also a big fan of DS Thorn. I don't really understand how this synth is so cheap because it is a freaking awesome bass and machine.

HALion indeed seems a pure beast....

Novum, when it came out, i have used it a lot, a lot...

then you will also like Sumu, from MadronaLabs, which almost a beta, within weeks...

and the upcoming MYTH synth from Dawesome, the developer already spilled the beans, what is the intention of this synth, i phrase it this way, because there is no beta yet.

but i must agree HALion is a pure beast. for sound design, indeed wow. as are other synths of course. but still...

and yes DS Thorn, which is additive, is a real great synth, i could be bought for 17 dollars or so?
it is indeed great also for rythmic pulses, with a great impact.

but as already mentioned, a trial of HALion is simple. you can check it out for yourself...

adendum: HALion 7 is MPE capable, but only within the realm of Cubase; it uses Note Expression(s) for it. perhaps someone already mentioned it, but well...
i don't know any other DAW that uses Note Expressions in the Cubase way.

MPE is for these kind of synths mandatory, in my opinion, well i have Cubase, so no prob.

EDIT: aha, you are downloading the trial! curious what your experience will be, as a fellow spectral addict.

[Jac459]

I own Novum too and I love it too in particular for pads of course.
On spectral, I am also a big fan of DS Thorn. I don't really understand how this synth is so cheap because it is a freaking awesome bass and machine.

HALion indeed seems a pure beast....

Novum, when it came out, i have used it a lot, a lot...

then you will also like Sumu, from MadronaLabs, which almost a beta, within weeks...

and the upcoming MYTH synth from Dawesome, the developer already spilled the beans, what is the intention of this synth, i phrase it this way, because there is no beta yet.

but i must agree HALion is a pure beast. for sound design, indeed wow. as are other synths of course. but still...

and yes DS Thorn, which is additive, is a real great synth, i could be bought for 17 dollars or so?
it is indeed great also for rythmic pulses, with a great impact.

but as already mentioned, a trial of HALion is simple. you can check it out for yourself...

adendum: HALion 7 is MPE capable, but only within the realm of Cubase; it uses Note Expression(s) for it. perhaps someone already mentioned it, but well...
i don't know any other DAW that uses Note Expressions in the Cubase way.

MPE is for these kind of synths mandatory, in my opinion, well i have Cubase, so no prob.

EDIT: aha, you are downloading the trial! curious what your experience will be, as a fellow spectral addict.

Thanks for the MPE warning... Indeed a bit sad as I am on bitwig (and will probably never change).

[Radio Silence]

it f*cking rocks.

thé spectral synth does not exist, in my view, even the spectral synth in Metasynth seems, well (i don't have a MAC, so i can't check it). well Novum from Dawesome also f'*cking rocks, as Abyss.

but still, i work now with it for a few hours, while i am tired, but already get from my own strange samples, or via phases (of treatment) results that i can really use for my own music.

it has a lot of possibilities, it is also the combination of settings, and what the source is, of course.

and the wavetable synthesis, i must recheck it with other wavetable synths i have, is out-of-the-world. i mean specific: the resynthesis, as you can call, it from a (own) sample...
well that gives also a lot of possibilities, and i am startled.

so, these opinions, after only working with Halio 7 for a few hours, with presets from scratch and my own (home brewed) samples.

i am only scratching the surface, yet. it is strange thing of beauty.

That's so awesome. I'm glad you like it.

Sans the sequencer, both HALion and Falcon could be considered the "Fairlights" of today. They do so much and offer so many creative possibilities. The options are truly mind blowing. Can you imagine what musicians would have thought of these instruments back in the 80s?

We are so lucky to have such amazing creative tools at our disposal. It truly is the golden age of synthesis (and not just for modern analog synths).

[Echoes in the Attic]

I own Novum too and I love it too in particular for pads of course.
On spectral, I am also a big fan of DS Thorn. I don't really understand how this synth is so cheap because it is a freaking awesome bass and machine.

HALion indeed seems a pure beast....

Novum, when it came out, i have used it a lot, a lot...

then you will also like Sumu, from MadronaLabs, which almost a beta, within weeks...

and the upcoming MYTH synth from Dawesome, the developer already spilled the beans, what is the intention of this synth, i phrase it this way, because there is no beta yet.

but i must agree HALion is a pure beast. for sound design, indeed wow. as are other synths of course. but still...

and yes DS Thorn, which is additive, is a real great synth, i could be bought for 17 dollars or so?
it is indeed great also for rythmic pulses, with a great impact.

but as already mentioned, a trial of HALion is simple. you can check it out for yourself...

adendum: HALion 7 is MPE capable, but only within the realm of Cubase; it uses Note Expression(s) for it. perhaps someone already mentioned it, but well...
i don't know any other DAW that uses Note Expressions in the Cubase way.

MPE is for these kind of synths mandatory, in my opinion, well i have Cubase, so no prob.

EDIT: aha, you are downloading the trial! curious what your experience will be, as a fellow spectral addict.

Where are there details on this upcoming MYTH synth? What type of synthesis?

[Dirtgrain]

Where are there details on this upcoming MYTH synth? What type of synthesis?

https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... st-5399325

[scott_free]

MYTH looks like it will be a lot of fun. Can't wait to give it a try!

[felis]

....real per voice effects, i.e. polyphonic effects, after long searching, i got a straight answer; no.
it hasn't per voice effects.

and it has also no modulation for FX parameters.

still it is a thing of beauty, i am still considering it, to buy it. even it has these drawbacls (Falcon 3 has per voice effects, as has Phase Plant, and of course MSoundFactory. to name some).

I just read your similar post on another forum, and you described 'per voice' effects as being able to use multiple fx on a voice. Yes, of course you can do that.

In my previous answer where I said no, I thought you were asking about 'per note' fx - such as playing notes C, E, G, and using a phaser, but each note would be processed individualy with that phaser. AFAIK, Halion doesn't do that.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Where are there details on this upcoming MYTH synth? What type of synthesis?

https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... st-5399325

Oh wow that sounds incredible.