Friendly Mid Side Compression, How?

[Frankie.T]

I'm used to Pro-C2 for mid-side compression with the eq (for detection) enabled. There is any way with Melda plugins to achieve something similar?

What i need is:
A way to compress and blend with separate knobs mid and side
An eq for compression detection, and the ability to listen through this eq, i don't want to setup the eq only with my eyes.
A stereo link-unlink (if there is a slider such pro-c would be awesome but even a toggle is good enough)

[Hexspa]

I think you can do a lot of this with MTurboCompMB. The only obvious thing that's missing is a sidechain audition button. Of course, you're not just setting that with your eyes since you can hear the changes as they take place via the effect on the compressor's action.

[Frankie.T]

Thanks for your reply.
Unfortunatly i really need to hear the eq, cause my ears know better than me what it should trigger the compressor.

I guess i have to stick with pro-c2 for now. I hope they will come with MModernCompEvo

Let's how they will read this post to take it into consideration, since MMC is a good start to add other features and it sounds very clean

[Held]

MDynamicsMBLarge allows you to listen to the side-chain input.

[Frankie.T]

Found it, thank you.

I'm messing up with stuff to get the mid/side compresson using the crossover in mid/side mode, but it feel very different from what i'm looking for

Edit:
Maybe i managed to make it work, need more testing but i think to be in the right way.
Thank you!

[Held]

The mid/side crossover isn't quite the same as the normal mid/side split. There's some bleed between the channels and you can't separate them completely.

Here's a tutorial that hopefully makes it a bit clearer how you can use it. The mid/side part starts at 2:00.

[Frankie.T]

Thanks for the video.
I noticed that everything sounds different, and that's the reason.

I also made some tests to see if this work as i'd like to, but is not.
I give up for now, if Melda would make something similar to FF not just for the capabilities but with a good workflow too for that purpose, i will be very happy, otherwise i will just stick with Pro-C2 that it's perfect for this duty.

I know probably something can be made with MXXX using MModernComp, but i have very few time right now, so i may try it in the future

[jan-sandahl]

Just a thought from the top of my head. Won't the M/S crossovers present the same problem over in MXXX?

[Frankie.T]

Yes, but maybe with some other way/plugin is possible to split mid and side in the MXXX matrix so to process them differently.

Anyway ofc a proper compressor with that workflow build inside would be much better, also because what it "scares" me the most, are possible phasing issue due to an not correct splitting/processing or whatever, and till this is something i usually use on a master it's something i prefer to avoid

[Starship Krupa]

I hope they will come with MModernCompEvo

Let's how they will read this post to take it into consideration, since MMC is a good start to add other features and it sounds very clean

Ha, another MModernCompressor fan! An updated MModernCompressor is actually my most wished-for MeldaProduction product, and perfect because I know it will never happen. I joke that MModernCompressor is "much beloved" because of the lack of love it seems to get. It was the first Melda processor I ever bought, using the weekly discount plus my newsletter sign-up credit.

I spent days trying to get usable results out of the automatic settings feature before realizing that it didn't work the way I expected it to. Toyed with asking for a store credit refund, then decided to bite the bullet and figure out what it could do.

The answer: it has the most front-facing access to the MeldaProduction psychoacoustic compression detector of any dynamics processor in the line.

Yes, an easier path to mid/side compression is something I've asked for. What I want is something like T-Racks has, where you can set up the mid and the side separately from the same instance. The reply I got was that I should just use two instances of my MeldaProduction compressor of choice, one in mid mode, the other in side mode, or the aforementioned MB solution, which I've never gotten around to figuring out because it would take hours and, well, I have T-Racks. Or even SoundSpot Cyclone.

I use mid/side compression all the time in my mixes, usually on buses to get that breathing stereo image, and it's something I would like to be able to do more easily with a MeldaProduction compressor.

My number one feature request for MModernCompressor is to be able to substitute the AWESOME dynamics display from MCompressor for that dynamic range sampling display that I suspect very few people use. That and the ability to create custom compression curves, another MCompressor feature that MModernCompressor lacks.

When I bought the license, I was expecting it to be pretty much like MCompressor but with more features, but what I got was two features removed and one added that I never use.

There are many people out there who used the MFreeFX bundle when we were starting out and fell in love with MCompressor due to that informative dynamics display with the moving line. It really helped me understand what a compressor was doing. MModernCompressorEVO, MCompressorDeluxe, MCompressorMS, whatever, a compressor with the features I suggest at that $50 price point would be a great step up for those people.

A boy can dream....

[Frankie.T]

I agree with you.
I use and love MModernCompressor mostly on busses just because it's very fast to use and clean. The section in the bottom for me is something hard to understand. I mean someone here explained well, but i kinda forgot how it works and btw i never had the need for something different from what i have and asking here.

I don't use IK multimedia plugins, so i don't know how TRacks is, but i feel the workflow of Pro-C2 about a m/s knobs (bottom right) very good and fast to use. I feel give a certain ammount of compression on mid only then blend the uncompressed side to give a good control over dynamics without destroing reverbs and how wide the mix is. It's also a good way to make some balance if needed.

The option to create a custom compressor curve would be certainly very useful, i use sometimes waveshapers but they lack of the usual controls we have in a compressor, so the result is very different.
I played with MTurboComp to setup different compressions accordingly to different peaks, and it worked for the most, but i wasn't able to mimic another compressor i was used to, just because the way it react.

[mibby]

Could you do this with MAutoDynamicEQ (or similar) in MidSide mode? Use 1 node for Mid and One for Side with band pass filters where you want to compress? I don't think you could "unlink" the stereo compression though.

[vectorwarrior]

Mxxx, and I assume mxxx core, have some special MS modules that allow you to split signals from lr into ms. You can then do whatever you want separately and later recombine them to lr again. I occasionally do this when I need absolute control for some reason.

[Frankie.T]

Thanks for the suggestions i'll try to build something when i have some free time to dedicate to that!