Should we ditch VST/AAX instruments altogether?

[Bippo]

Teenager discovers and develops a POV that considers unique and enlightened, shares it with the world and expects validation. More news at 9.

I wish I was a teenager

Are you ready for black friday?
New "VST D3AL$" are coming.

[rod_zero]

Teenager discovers and develops a POV that considers unique and enlightened, shares it with the world and expects validation. More news at 9.

I wish I was a teenager

Are you ready for black friday?
New "VST D3AL$" are coming.

I am with you that the industry is over saturated, the marketing is also predatory and hyperbolic to the extreme, I make fun of it asking CHatGpt to write marketing material for plugin companies.

I also subscribe to minimalism: my DAW and no more than 10 plugins. But for me all the hassle of recording HW or acoustic instruments isn't much fun.

[jancivil]

Snarky Puppy feat. Becca Stevens & Väsen is fantastic.

[jancivil]

SHOW ME HOW YOU CAN CREATE THIS MUSIC SITTING IN YOUR ROOM WITH A LAPTOP AND KONTAKT!!!

LOL srly

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Come back when you can perform Ligeti Piano studies

LOL
I opted out of replying to this one initially but the thread is a zombie that won't die.

Again the bogus rhetorical question schtick - ie., it really doesn't work as a statement - that's really just a statement of ignorance on two levels, what is possible for one with the chops to and ignorance of what's out there. I mean there's nowt there that would be impossible (or an extraordinary challenge particularly) to do on a laptop running Kontakt, with the real dificulty being an underpowered laptop ie., latency is so high as to preclude playing stuff in in order to manufacture a viable groove. Not impossible, as with enough experience "writing" in a piano roll editor particularly as regards timing it can be penciled in, or a few groove templates created in a Cubase including from that very record in which to apply the step entry or pencilled entry parts onto.
Then there's Kontakt which makes products specifically targeting that sort of genre for a long time now.

Were it a real question, I wouldn't even give it a second thought, because it would take a serious expenditure of time and the sign of a good and apt student for the lessons. Also, if such were a course it would methinks be worth a lot of money.

[Bippo]

SHOW ME HOW YOU CAN CREATE THIS MUSIC SITTING IN YOUR ROOM WITH A LAPTOP AND KONTAKT!!!

LOL srly

snip

Come back when you can perform Ligeti Piano studies

LOL
I opted out of replying to this one initially but the thread is a zombie that won't die.

Again the bogus rhetorical question schtick - ie., it really doesn't work as a statement - that's really just a statement of ignorance on two levels, what is possible for one with the chops to and ignorance of what's out there. I mean there's nowt there that would be impossible (or an extraordinary challenge particularly) to do on a laptop running Kontakt, with the real dificulty being an underpowered laptop ie., latency is so high as to preclude playing stuff in in order to manufacture a viable groove. Not impossible, as with enough experience "writing" in a piano roll editor particularly as regards timing it can be penciled in, or a few groove templates created in a Cubase including from that very record in which to apply the step entry or pencilled entry parts onto.
Then there's Kontakt which makes products specifically targeting that sort of genre for a long time now.

Were it a real question, I wouldn't even give it a second thought, because it would take a serious expenditure of time and the sign of a good and apt student for the lessons. Also, if such were a course it would methinks be worth a lot of money.

ROFLOLMAO you missed the point so bad that it makes me laugh

Technically you could IMITATE this track sitting in your office with a laptop and Kontakt, but that's not how you COME UP with this sort of music, and that's the difference and that's my whole argument.

You think that The Whispers had one guy sitting with Cubase drawing pixels in a piano roll?
Jesus FK

That's the whole difference: back then you had a group of people in a rehearsal room/studio jamming together, each one with his respective instrument and that's 180 degrees different from how music is made this days.
I don't know if you had the chance to see in real life how popular music is made these days (or even watched a stream of a session like this), but it's totally different experience than the days when popular music was actually GOOD.

That's my whole point: people these days are stuck in front of their monitors, clicking with their mouse on the piano roll and chasing after presets in one of their vsts and instead of playing a real instrument with real human beings and let the magic happen.

That's why most modern pop music is very sterile and anemic, the technology took over the spirit.
And imo, the extremely oversaturated market of vsts only made that problem worse.

Or in other words...

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[Uncle E]

That’s all of KVR Audio. It’s literally what this forum is about. Your opinion is valid but why bring it up here?

[tasty tatsyn]

Well maybe i should start a new topic and maybe i shouldn't post this, but you get flamed by defending water and by defending beer so here it goes....

could this be related to this topic?

just as an example:


This also happens to my brain-ears connection a bunch of times when i hear new recomended music....

Recently some popular music dude from my country did something i tought, hmmmm i f**king heard this before... but that one time i remembered..., OH! it's from that Greek rock band, he just moved the electric guitar chorus to an intro with an acustic guitar part instead... even the vocals have the same timing and melody with diferent lyrics and language.
or that one time when listening to spotify, a space rock band totally sounded like a electric guitar version of morcheeba..

My question now is, did the "originals" also get "inspired" by someone, because the feeling i'm getting is this is trully more often than most people think.

Just a tought, if you want to follow a style or genre there's elements, common places and techniques you'll fall into by default but in some of this cases doesn't feel like inspiration or a guideline... feels like... well....
You have your toughts....

Maybe i should start a topic on another section..

[El°HYM]

That’s all of KVR Audio. It’s literally what this forum is about. Your opinion is valid but why bring it up here?

All opinions are equal, but some are more equal than others.

[Bunny_boy]

It's good to know that I come back to KvR after something like a decade, and yet still the, "that's not real music" threads troll on and on. It's a bit comforting.

[Bunny_boy]

Obviously Iannis Xenakis, Pierre Schaeffer, etc are not to be mentioned.

[donkey tugger]

Down with the electrickery. Abolish sinthesiser.

[vurt]

Down with the electrickery. Abolish sinthesiser.

that's not his point!
even you, who sits at home alone creating the political rock protest dirges, you need to get a few friends in, and jam the songs out!
music is then valid.

i think blippo doesn't realise, bach and the like, often sat alone, scoring music (while throwing eggs at his cleaner [or that may have been ludwig van, i get my powdered wigs mixed up])
has never heard of tin pan alley either...

[Synthman2000]

In a word No.

I have never felt more free and empowered since using almost all VST synths.

VST is great, thanks for you concern though, this thread can now be closed so people can waste no more of their precious lives.

[vurt]

Obviously Iannis Xenakis, Pierre Schaeffer, etc are not to be mentioned.

apparently we are only talking about "popular music".
which begs the question, who the f**k are the whispers?

[Bunny_boy]

Down with the electrickery. Abolish sinthesiser.

that's not his point!
even you, who sits at home alone creating the political rock protest dirges, you need to get a few friends in, and jam the songs out!
music is then valid.

i think blippo doesn't realise, bach and the like, often sat alone, scoring music (while throwing eggs at his cleaner [or that may have been ludwig van, i get my powdered wigs mixed up])
has never heard of tin pan alley either...

But but but but what would Robert Johnson or Ewan MacColl say??
I mean in the original argument, Northern Uproar are brilliant music, but, like you say, Mozart isn't.