Dune v3.6

[lolilol1975]

Isn't that enough in itself?

Sure, it's great, but the formulation of the question made me think there were other advantages inherent to CLAP that vst3 doesn't have (btw Reaper also has CLAP implemented).

[zerocrossing]

Isn't that enough in itself?

Sure, it's great, but the formulation of the question made me think there were other advantages inherent to CLAP that vst3 doesn't have (btw Reaper also has CLAP implemented).

CLAP allows for all sorts of per-voice modulation from the DAW. For instance, I’ve always wanted a third EG for Diva. It’s super useful. Hell, even a fourth EG for complex ambient stuff. With the CLAP version of Diva, that’s not a problem. I can add whatever Bitwig can do, extra LFOs, MSEGs, modulation sequencers, etc. Maybe there are other things, but that’s what I use it for.

[Jac459]

Hive 2 is a no brainer if you have bitwig as there is CLAP format support and polyphonic modulation...

What does CLAP offer more than vst3 other than the fact it's not Steinberg ?

Multiple advantages.
The norm is open and offer many many useful additional features.

One of the most obvious is polyphonic modulations.
With a VST3, if you want to attach an LFO of your DAW to your plug in, you can.... But the LFO will be monophonic. That means that if you trigger multiple notes from the DAW, the LFO will either stay the same, either retrigger for everybody.
With CLAP, you can have an LFO attached to each note so each LFO is independent. In sound creation, most of the LFO are polyphonic but are only inside the plugin. Here you can have it outside the plugin.
Then you can repeat the same paragraph I wrote and replace the word LFO with ADSR, MSEG, it is the same logic.
So why is it interesting to use the modulations from your DAW and not your plugins?
Many cases:
1 - usability: once you master your DAW modulations, you don't need to learn all the modulation systems of your synths.
2 - "chained effects" you could synchronise the modulations of your DAW with multiple instruments (if you layer bass for example, you can have them use exactly the same envelop to open their respective filters.
3 - build complex modulations pipeline... Then you load different synths and choose the best synth.


Then you have some more advanced features like voice stacking which is a kind of unison on steroids....

And other advantages I don't know

[lolilol1975]

Ak ok, thank you. I understand now. So from now on I'll install the CLAP version instead of the VST3 version.

[YesYeah]

Dune 3 is in my wish list since the release,but was kind of pricey.

I feel the same. For the price of Dune 3 + the eventual upgrade to 4 I could just get K Standard which would cover more ground than a synth... But the low CPU part of it is a huge selling point, I'll check out 4 when it arrives hopefully soon

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Tested already,dope synth,somehow sounds better,than i remember
If i was on a hunt for new synth right now would prefer Dune .
Especially random unison,playing 32 voices without any problem was impressive.
Can't stop playing with analog filters.
But...
Only 150 eu budget left and so many interesting things i want to add...money will be over way before Christmas
Need quality fx more than new synths,my mix need some upgrades for long time.
The price is ok for me,worth it,just don't need it so much now.
Cheers to everybody

[martiu]

Cheers to everybody

cheers, i am a bit drunk right now so you may get some hugs here and there from me

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Love and music ,not war

[twal]

I think we all forget at some point how good Dune 3 sounds but at least I knoe I do.

[enCiphered]

Hive 2 is a no brainer if you have bitwig as there is CLAP format support and polyphonic modulation...

What does CLAP offer more than vst3 other than the fact it's not Steinberg ?

Multiple advantages.
The norm is open and offer many many useful additional features.

One of the most obvious is polyphonic modulations.
With a VST3, if you want to attach an LFO of your DAW to your plug in, you can.... But the LFO will be monophonic. That means that if you trigger multiple notes from the DAW, the LFO will either stay the same, either retrigger for everybody.
With CLAP, you can have an LFO attached to each note so each LFO is independent. In sound creation, most of the LFO are polyphonic but are only inside the plugin. Here you can have it outside the plugin.
Then you can repeat the same paragraph I wrote and replace the word LFO with ADSR, MSEG, it is the same logic.
So why is it interesting to use the modulations from your DAW and not your plugins?
Many cases:
1 - usability: once you master your DAW modulations, you don't need to learn all the modulation systems of your synths.
2 - "chained effects" you could synchronise the modulations of your DAW with multiple instruments (if you layer bass for example, you can have them use exactly the same envelop to open their respective filters.
3 - build complex modulations pipeline... Then you load different synths and choose the best synth.


Then you have some more advanced features like voice stacking which is a kind of unison on steroids....

And other advantages I don't know

Very well explained

But one thing has to be mentioned which is very important (at least to me..)
In Bitwig you can not save any modulation setups as a preset. That means, if you have a good set of different modulators, each one of those is controlling something different etc.. you can not save it as a preset and all the work has to be done from scratch with every new synth or effect.
Bummer

[Jac459]

Hive 2 is a no brainer if you have bitwig as there is CLAP format support and polyphonic modulation...

What does CLAP offer more than vst3 other than the fact it's not Steinberg ?

Multiple advantages.
The norm is open and offer many many useful additional features.

One of the most obvious is polyphonic modulations.
With a VST3, if you want to attach an LFO of your DAW to your plug in, you can.... But the LFO will be monophonic. That means that if you trigger multiple notes from the DAW, the LFO will either stay the same, either retrigger for everybody.
With CLAP, you can have an LFO attached to each note so each LFO is independent. In sound creation, most of the LFO are polyphonic but are only inside the plugin. Here you can have it outside the plugin.
Then you can repeat the same paragraph I wrote and replace the word LFO with ADSR, MSEG, it is the same logic.
So why is it interesting to use the modulations from your DAW and not your plugins?
Many cases:
1 - usability: once you master your DAW modulations, you don't need to learn all the modulation systems of your synths.
2 - "chained effects" you could synchronise the modulations of your DAW with multiple instruments (if you layer bass for example, you can have them use exactly the same envelop to open their respective filters.
3 - build complex modulations pipeline... Then you load different synths and choose the best synth.


Then you have some more advanced features like voice stacking which is a kind of unison on steroids....

And other advantages I don't know

Very well explained

But one thing has to be mentioned which is very important (at least to me..)
In Bitwig you can not save any modulation setups as a preset. That means, if you have a good set of different modulators, each one of those is controlling something different etc.. you can not save it as a preset and all the work has to be done from scratch with every new synth or effect.
Bummer

You are right actually, on my side I save all these by copy pasting the track setup in a specific project which is my "Catalog".
But it is a workaround, no question about it.
It works for me because I don't have that much of them.

[zerocrossing]

Hive 2 is a no brainer if you have bitwig as there is CLAP format support and polyphonic modulation...

What does CLAP offer more than vst3 other than the fact it's not Steinberg ?

Multiple advantages.
The norm is open and offer many many useful additional features.

One of the most obvious is polyphonic modulations.
With a VST3, if you want to attach an LFO of your DAW to your plug in, you can.... But the LFO will be monophonic. That means that if you trigger multiple notes from the DAW, the LFO will either stay the same, either retrigger for everybody.
With CLAP, you can have an LFO attached to each note so each LFO is independent. In sound creation, most of the LFO are polyphonic but are only inside the plugin. Here you can have it outside the plugin.
Then you can repeat the same paragraph I wrote and replace the word LFO with ADSR, MSEG, it is the same logic.
So why is it interesting to use the modulations from your DAW and not your plugins?
Many cases:
1 - usability: once you master your DAW modulations, you don't need to learn all the modulation systems of your synths.
2 - "chained effects" you could synchronise the modulations of your DAW with multiple instruments (if you layer bass for example, you can have them use exactly the same envelop to open their respective filters.
3 - build complex modulations pipeline... Then you load different synths and choose the best synth.


Then you have some more advanced features like voice stacking which is a kind of unison on steroids....

And other advantages I don't know

Very well explained

But one thing has to be mentioned which is very important (at least to me..)
In Bitwig you can not save any modulation setups as a preset. That means, if you have a good set of different modulators, each one of those is controlling something different etc.. you can not save it as a preset and all the work has to be done from scratch with every new synth or effect.
Bummer

You can group them with the synth and save that as a preset.

[enCiphered]

No, what I mean is.. Lets say I have 10 random modulators with 10 different timebase settings, feedback, correlation, amount, smoothing, speed etc.. every single one has its own settings. Then 10 lfo´s, 5 curves, 5 envelopes, all with dedicated settings. I want to use exact this one setup of modulations and settings as a preset and load it into any synth I want.
Thats not possible. In Bitwig you can pretty much save everything as a preset but not modulation settings, which is a real shame

[jtsterays]

How do I do unipolar LFOs in this?

[kraster]

How do I do unipolar LFOs in this?

Use the Offset on the LFO.