Reversing clips?

[irpacynot]

I spent a good hour or so yesterday dividing a ton of clips, intending to reverse them this morning, which I did. But...there's no signal on any of the clips once they've been reversed. I went through the entire process again with a new track, divided all of the clips -- was fine -- then tried again to reverse them...no signal.

I've done this before with clips (no where near this many, but still...), dividing them and then reversing them with success. Any ideas what I might be overlooking? Something that inactivated perhaps?

[nowgad]

This is what I was talking about recently. I don’t think that you missed anything or did something wrong, it’s very difficult to make mistakes in the reverse: if you check the wrong Box)), and as far as I remember, nothing in the settings can affect this)) After moments like these, I get the feeling that Waveform is being updated in background, that something is being fixed, and something else is breaking. I'm not saying that this is the case. It’s just that no other thoughts arise because of why THIS is happening. Everything works fine, the next time you open the program the function is glitchy, the next time you open it everything is fine. This is not always the case, but it is there.
Waveform is a very unstable program for me. Version 11, although it had bugs, worked better.

[irpacynot]

This is what I was talking about recently. I don’t think that you missed anything or did something wrong, it’s very difficult to make mistakes in the reverse: if you check the wrong Box)), and as far as I remember, nothing in the settings can affect this)) After moments like these, I get the feeling that Waveform is being updated in background, that something is being fixed, and something else is breaking. I'm not saying that this is the case. It’s just that no other thoughts arise because of why THIS is happening. Everything works fine, the next time you open the program the function is glitchy, the next time you open it everything is fine. This is not always the case, but it is there.
Waveform is a very unstable program for me. Version 11, although it had bugs, worked better.

Hmm...all right. Will try reopening again and see what happens (keep you posted).

I'm on the original 12. Still haven't updated to 12.5.

[irpacynot]

This is what I was talking about recently. I don’t think that you missed anything or did something wrong, it’s very difficult to make mistakes in the reverse: if you check the wrong Box)), and as far as I remember, nothing in the settings can affect this)) After moments like these, I get the feeling that Waveform is being updated in background, that something is being fixed, and something else is breaking. I'm not saying that this is the case. It’s just that no other thoughts arise because of why THIS is happening. Everything works fine, the next time you open the program the function is glitchy, the next time you open it everything is fine. This is not always the case, but it is there.
Waveform is a very unstable program for me. Version 11, although it had bugs, worked better.

All right, so went back in, and the saved track still had no signal. Tried it on a dupe track of the original that I had also spliced into clips. No signal. But... when I unclicked reverse, it still had no signal. I then hit "undo" twice, and there was the signal again. I can't make heads or tails out of, but it seems once you apply the reverse command, it erased the signal permanently unless you undo the processes altogether.

[nowgad]

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Yes, I also don’t understand this magical randomness. And I remembered: I had a post, some time ago or more, I tried to make a track-by-track render of the project, and so some tracks were rendered halfway, on others the sound faded, on several the rendering went fine)) what it depends on is a mystery shrouded in darkness) ) but after some time everything became normal, nothing changed in the settings, nothing changed globally on the computer. Random, magic, instability))
These words are good for something else, but not for software))

[operandx]

No help to you I know, but I've never had this issue when reversing clips or split clips using the option in the properties panel. If you are using reverse as a clip effect there seems to be a bug which changes the pitch when reversed.

Edit - Just tested this again and the clip fx reverse didn't mess with the pitch this time. Hmm.

[Peter Widdicombe]

Just curious - are we talking audio or MIDI clips here?

My guess is that audio (or rendered to audio) clips can be reversed.
MIDI, however, consists of 2 events - a "note/velocity" event, followed by another "note/velocity=0" event for each note. It would be interesting, in this case, to see with MIDI Monitor what occurs?

[irpacynot]

No help to you I know, but I've never had this issue when reversing clips or split clips using the option in the properties panel. If you are using reverse as a clip effect there seems to be a bug which changes the pitch when reversed.

Edit - Just tested this again and the clip fx reverse didn't mess with the pitch this time. Hmm.

I'm just checking of the box on the bottom there when you highlight the clip. So, I'm guessing that's the properties, right? I'm definitely not adding any plugins.

[operandx]

I'm just checking of the box on the bottom there when you highlight the clip. So, I'm guessing that's the properties, right? I'm definitely not adding any plugins.

Yes, that's the Properties panel, Reversing (using properties panel option) always worked OK for me. There must be something else at play.

[dysjoint]

Pretty sure reversing the clip will reverse the entire clip. Now, if you slice a clip and do not render the slice, Waveform is still using the entire clip, with a window (based on your slices). If you hit reverse on the slice, I'm pretty sure at least, Waveform seems to reverse the entire original file, but doesn't account for the window positioning created by your slice.
Note, this is from memory, and based on past experience, so I now workaround by rendering a slice before reversing it, so check it out for yourself as this may have changed.

[operandx]

I think the Reverse option in properties does reverse just the visible slice. However, the clip fx reverse acts on the whole clip some of which may not be visible if you have sliced it.

[nowgad]

I think the Reverse option in properties does reverse just the visible slice. However, the clip fx reverse acts on the whole clip some of which may not be visible if you have sliced it.

I already thought it was a great guess, but no, it's not.



but I apparently found another bug... It shouldn't be like this

[operandx]

So, I was right the Reverse option in Properties panel affects only the visible slice.

[nowgad]

So, I was right the Reverse option in Properties panel affects only the visible slice.

I'm sorry, of course, I'm trying hard to understand the logic of this expression, but I can't get it... yes, we work only with the visible fragment, ST says that, he and any of us need only the selected visible fragments!!! Why do we need the cut-off? what is the essence of your confirmation? If you mean that the reverse shifts the "focus" to invisible fragments, then why is that? )) in my example, just everything works fine)
Explain to me, I'm a fool, I'm serious, why does it happen differently for a person? I understood your logic that I turned the clip over with an empty tail, but what I need is not an empty beginning, we will see, it is no longer an empty space. But the logic is different, what we have selected, cut off and turned over, should simply be reversed. If there is a function responsible for this. Tell me where she is. Thank you!
Oh, I'm sorry) your expression is correct, I really am who I say I am! Yes, everything works only with the visible, marked, selected, fragment. I'm going crazy with this daw))

[operandx]

So, I was right the Reverse option in Properties panel affects only the visible slice.

I'm sorry, of course, I'm trying hard to understand the logic of this expression, but I can't get it... yes, we work only with the visible fragment, ST says that, he and any of us need only the selected visible fragments!!! Why do we need the cut-off? what is the essence of your confirmation? If you mean that the reverse shifts the "focus" to invisible fragments, then why is that? )) in my example, just everything works fine)
Explain to me, I'm a fool, I'm serious, why does it happen differently for a person? I understood your logic that I turned the clip over with an empty tail, we will see that it is no longer an empty space. But the logic is different, what we have selected, cut off and turned over, should simply be reversed. If there is a function responsible for this. Tell me where she is. Thank you!

Well, clip edits in WF are non destructive. If you split a clip you effectively get two copies but with parts hidden. You can easily see this if you split a clip im middle and move the right half some way up the timeline - if you then drag the left arrow in the clip header it will extend the clip to include the left hand half of thye clip. Likewise if you drag the right clips right arrow you can display the entire original clip. This is why I was talking about the 'visible' part of a split clip. I can't see a bug in your second video. The grey muted clip is on top of the looped split clip.