Emulations we are still missing 2023 edition

[syntonica]

I believe there still isn't a killer Elka Synthex clone. That has the same quality as Diva, Model 72 or the Legend.

What about Xils Syn'X?

And MiniSyn'X. And I believe Oxium uses the same filter, although it's tuned slightly differently.

I would call them very good, but not killer. They need a zero-delay implementation.

Syn'X, Mini Syn'X, PolyKB and Oxium all have zero-delay included.

They are?

I better reevaluate my opinion then...

[Examigan]

Yep, it shows the info on their website, like Syn'X 2 is here:

https://www.xils-lab.com/products/syn-x-p-134.html

"And because it’s multitimbral, you can use up to 16 oscillators, 8 0df Analog Filters, 32 DADSR envelopes and Modulation Matrixes addressing any of the 132 possible destinations to build your own patches, when the 300 Factory Library Presets are not enough."

[syntonica]

It's possible that I missed that update. I haven't truly demoted them for a few years now since at the time, they were bugged on Mac and still appeared to be when I checked a few months ago. I didn't bother to listen.

[hebex]

Emulations we are still missing?

That depends if you are looking for quantity or quality.

If you want quantity, check out -- to this day -- all the existing clones out there, there are probably "emulations" of most analog synthesizer models ever made. Some better, some worse.

But if you want quality and an emulation that really nails the original, I´d say we are still missing every original analog synth ever made.

I quickly flicked through 17 pages of this topic and still nobody is stating the obvious, that there is still no VST emulation that 100% captures a real analog synth.

Yeah, right, I´ve heard all the arguments on KvR for years, and you can repeat them again here if you like -- this is KvR after all -- but I´ve yet to find a VST emulation of a hardware analog synth that nails the original, sorry. The VST-industry has come a long way, alright, but has still a long way to go.

[Odd Fella]

Siel DK 600 and 700

I like the juicy way it sounds, like from 3:00 on:

[BBFG#]

Emulations we are still missing?

That depends if you are looking for quantity or quality.

If you want quantity, check out -- to this day -- all the existing clones out there, there are probably "emulations" of most analog synthesizer models ever made. Some better, some worse.

But if you want quality and an emulation that really nails the original, I´d say we are still missing every original analog synth ever made.

I quickly flicked through 17 pages of this topic and still nobody is stating the obvious, that there is still no VST emulation that 100% captures a real analog synth.

Yeah, right, I´ve heard all the arguments on KvR for years, and you can repeat them again here if you like -- this is KvR after all -- but I´ve yet to find a VST emulation of a hardware analog synth that nails the original, sorry. The VST-industry has come a long way, alright, but has still a long way to go.

Something tells me if they ever did match 100% you'd still wouldn't agree. Something we might want to come to terms with is that certain emulations "suffer" from just being superior to the original. They gave us a good starting point with which the developers exceded and then those developers had to model their imperfections to meet the desires of long list memories.

[Scotty]

I own a Timbre Wolf and I really enjoy it. I assembled a true polyphonic modular rig with four separate outputs that is based on it but exceeds it in terms of control and sound variation. If you use the four separate outputs available on the Timbre Wolf and process each differently (panning , efx, different envelope settings) it's core sound is very usable and malleable in that context. What I have in modular is now much more powerful but I still enjoy the Timbre Wolf and find it far better than the loud critics have proclaimed it to be. It also has a gate input so its sequencer locks perfectly to an analog drum machine something that can't be said for a lot of my other synths here.

Akai Timbre Wolf

This guy pretty much ruined any prospect of an already horrendous synthesizer ,what a legend

“You need it to warm up a little”

And

“Terrible playing , I do apologize “

[trusampler]

A Proper Oberheim Matrix 12 is sorely needed! Arturia has tried to do this, but this synth is just too good to not have several companies attempt to get it as close as possible. I'd love to see the guys from Vengeance attempt it, as they have an uncanny ability to sample and synthesize their plugins at a higher level then most. Besides that, their Matrix 12 Sounds incredible.

[hebex]

Emulations we are still missing?

That depends if you are looking for quantity or quality.

If you want quantity, check out -- to this day -- all the existing clones out there, there are probably "emulations" of most analog synthesizer models ever made. Some better, some worse.

But if you want quality and an emulation that really nails the original, I´d say we are still missing every original analog synth ever made.

I quickly flicked through 17 pages of this topic and still nobody is stating the obvious, that there is still no VST emulation that 100% captures a real analog synth.

Yeah, right, I´ve heard all the arguments on KvR for years, and you can repeat them again here if you like -- this is KvR after all -- but I´ve yet to find a VST emulation of a hardware analog synth that nails the original, sorry. The VST-industry has come a long way, alright, but has still a long way to go.

Something tells me if they ever did match 100% you'd still wouldn't agree. Something we might want to come to terms with is that certain emulations "suffer" from just being superior to the original. They gave us a good starting point with which the developers exceded and then those developers had to model their imperfections to meet the desires of long list memories.

Heard it before. No, the VST-clones are not "superior".

[BBFG#]

Emulations we are still missing?

That depends if you are looking for quantity or quality.

If you want quantity, check out -- to this day -- all the existing clones out there, there are probably "emulations" of most analog synthesizer models ever made. Some better, some worse.

But if you want quality and an emulation that really nails the original, I´d say we are still missing every original analog synth ever made.

I quickly flicked through 17 pages of this topic and still nobody is stating the obvious, that there is still no VST emulation that 100% captures a real analog synth.

Yeah, right, I´ve heard all the arguments on KvR for years, and you can repeat them again here if you like -- this is KvR after all -- but I´ve yet to find a VST emulation of a hardware analog synth that nails the original, sorry. The VST-industry has come a long way, alright, but has still a long way to go.

Something tells me if they ever did match 100% you'd still wouldn't agree. Something we might want to come to terms with is that certain emulations "suffer" from just being superior to the original. They gave us a good starting point with which the developers exceded and then those developers had to model their imperfections to meet the desires of long list memories.

Heard it before. No, the VST-clones are not "superior".

In your opinion...
I've played many of the originals they're emulating and many I considered to be POS are much better virtual instruments because they've progressed to what they promised to be in the first place. Others? I agree are not exactly there (yet). But as long as they aren't boring, I can enjoy them for what they are.

And of course you've heard it all before. That was my point. I'm betting that you've made up your mind before hand and won't listen for what is as much as what isn't.

I'm also betting you enjoy arguing that point more.

[hebex]

I'm betting that you've made up your mind before hand and won't listen for what is as much as what isn't.

I'm also betting you enjoy arguing that point more.

So you´re simply trying to silence me by that little sneaky argument. I see through that as well, as do everyone else in this forum.

I´ve had the same arguments about this topic so many times on this forum and it never leads anywhere, because it´s rather the opposite, it´s those KvR-fanatics that have made up their mind and never change, they´ve closed their ears and won´t hear the difference no matter what.

Of course I´d love to have the 100% analog synthesizer sound in a VST with all that it would mean, not least the convenience, total recall and everything. Not having to use the dinosaur MIDI-protocol to communicate between the hardware analog synth and my DAW would be very liberating. So, on the contrary to what you say, I have all the reasons to welcome the 100% nailed VST analog synthesizer clone.

But there is no way around it, it´s just still not in the market, unfortunately. Looking forward to the day it shows up!

[BBFG#]

I'm betting that you've made up your mind before hand and won't listen for what is as much as what isn't.

I'm also betting you enjoy arguing that point more.

So you´re simply trying to silence me by that little sneaky argument. I see through that as well, as do everyone else in this forum.

I´ve had the same arguments about this topic so many times on this forum and it never leads anywhere, because it´s rather the opposite, it´s those KvR-fanatics that have made up their mind and never change, they´ve closed their ears and won´t hear the difference no matter what.

Of course I´d love to have the 100% analog synthesizer sound in a VST with all that it would mean, not least the convenience, total recall and everything. Not having to use the dinosaur MIDI-protocol to communicate between the hardware analog synth and my DAW would be very liberating. So, on the contrary to what you say, I have all the reasons to welcome the 100% nailed VST analog synthesizer clone.

But there is no way around it, it´s just still not in the market, unfortunately. Looking forward to the day it shows up!

You just can't hear what I'm saying.
I'm not trying to silence you, just pointing out that even if you got your way, you'd still find something to make noise about.

[hebex]

You just can't hear what I'm saying.
I'm not trying to silence you, just pointing out that even if you got your way, you'd still find something to make noise about.

Lame post.

[BBFG#]

...
It's an axiom of addiction you've yet to realize.

[electro]

miniSynX is the one that does the Elka Synthex

Yep, it shows the info on their website, like Syn'X 2 is here:

https://www.xils-lab.com/products/syn-x-p-134.html

"And because it’s multitimbral, you can use up to 16 oscillators, 8 0df Analog Filters, 32 DADSR envelopes and Modulation Matrixes addressing any of the 132 possible destinations to build your own patches, when the 300 Factory Library Presets are not enough."