Moog Mariana VST/AU/iOS Bass Synth
- KVRAF
- 18513 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I totally disagree with that statement. It doesn’t sound anything like any Moog I’ve ever heard, which is why I like it. I’ve owned two synths that use Model D oscillator and filter designs, so I’m very familiar with that sound, and Mariana is about as far from it as I an imagine. I’ve not tried the revamped Arturia emulation, but GForce and Synapse have done a great job nailing that sound. Mariana is a totally different animal.
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- KVRAF
- 18513 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
The entire plugin is long list of poor UI design decisions. What’s weird is that it comes from a company that’s well known for having some of the best physical synthesizer interfaces ever made.miloszz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:08 am Horrible design decision to have the master volume be on a separate page entirely from the two separate page with the synth mixers.
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- KVRian
- 783 posts since 16 Jun, 2022
to be fair creating UI that feels ergonomic for the mouse and keyboard is nothing like creating a physcial inter.face Thats why some companies that refuses to adapt their emulation for the screen (hmm hmm cherry audio ) feels so bad in use. Thats no excuse for moog tho they should figure their shit out.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:14 pmThe entire plugin is long list of poor UI design decisions. What’s weird is that it comes from a company that’s well known for having some of the best physical synthesizer interfaces ever made.miloszz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:08 am Horrible design decision to have the master volume be on a separate page entirely from the two separate page with the synth mixers.
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- KVRist
- 134 posts since 28 Feb, 2007
Hi. Found serious bug and before sending to Moog I want to be sure that is not just me. In Ableton I opened one instance of Mariana and I felt desire to compare it to Diva but BAM! Ableton crashes and Reaper too. Is anyone able to replicate this? (Live 11 or Reaper 7 on MacBook Air M2). It looks like these two doesn't like each other 
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- KVRist
- 118 posts since 21 Oct, 2023
works with meboriskarloff wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:15 pm Hi. Found serious bug and before sending to Moog I want to be sure that is not just me. In Ableton I opened one instance of Mariana and I felt desire to compare it to Diva but BAM! Ableton crashes and Reaper too. Is anyone able to replicate this? (Live 11 or Reaper 7 on MacBook Air M2). It looks like these two doesn't like each other![]()
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- KVRist
- 134 posts since 28 Feb, 2007
Sorry! My mistake. Now it's working. I have some older version of DIVA. Recent version is OK.DaniZzz79 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:29 pmworks with meboriskarloff wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:15 pm Hi. Found serious bug and before sending to Moog I want to be sure that is not just me. In Ableton I opened one instance of Mariana and I felt desire to compare it to Diva but BAM! Ableton crashes and Reaper too. Is anyone able to replicate this? (Live 11 or Reaper 7 on MacBook Air M2). It looks like these two doesn't like each other![]()
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- KVRAF
- 1819 posts since 10 Jul, 2018
The Diva slayer?... for the crown of "CPU Hog Queen"....boriskarloff wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:15 pm Hi. Found serious bug and before sending to Moog I want to be sure that is not just me. In Ableton I opened one instance of Mariana and I felt desire to compare it to Diva but BAM! Ableton crashes and Reaper too. Is anyone able to replicate this? (Live 11 or Reaper 7 on MacBook Air M2). It looks like these two doesn't like each other![]()
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- KVRian
- 1133 posts since 31 May, 2007
IVe given this synth more time since my last post and the majority of the presets are meh but I do like the beef of the sub particularly,still hasn’t made me open my wallet though,I’ve made a track using it exclusively and the filter movements are really good
It’s good I can’t deny but not like an instant purchase with softubes moog offering
There’s also a PITA shirt delay when switching between the synth engines on my fairly decent Mac M1 which I can’t be arsed with
Got to say though a think moog are being very reasonable on the price (intro and full) ,hoping they will listen to the community and make adjustments to make it buying in the long run
It’s good I can’t deny but not like an instant purchase with softubes moog offering
There’s also a PITA shirt delay when switching between the synth engines on my fairly decent Mac M1 which I can’t be arsed with
Got to say though a think moog are being very reasonable on the price (intro and full) ,hoping they will listen to the community and make adjustments to make it buying in the long run
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- KVRAF
- 4085 posts since 28 Jan, 2011 from MEXICO
their focus on skewmorphism leads to this.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:14 pmThe entire plugin is long list of poor UI design decisions. What’s weird is that it comes from a company that’s well known for having some of the best physical synthesizer interfaces ever made.miloszz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:08 am Horrible design decision to have the master volume be on a separate page entirely from the two separate page with the synth mixers.
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- KVRAF
- 6287 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
I, on the other hand, think the UI and UX are fine.rod_zero wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:40 pmtheir focus on skewmorphism leads to this.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:14 pmThe entire plugin is long list of poor UI design decisions. What’s weird is that it comes from a company that’s well known for having some of the best physical synthesizer interfaces ever made.miloszz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:08 am Horrible design decision to have the master volume be on a separate page entirely from the two separate page with the synth mixers.
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- KVRAF
- 18513 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
True, but at least if they copied one of their knobby hardware synths, we’d have everything neatly laid out on a single page.HOTF wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:45 pmto be fair creating UI that feels ergonomic for the mouse and keyboard is nothing like creating a physcial inter.face Thats why some companies that refuses to adapt their emulation for the screen (hmm hmm cherry audio ) feels so bad in use. Thats no excuse for moog tho they should figure their shit out.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:14 pmThe entire plugin is long list of poor UI design decisions. What’s weird is that it comes from a company that’s well known for having some of the best physical synthesizer interfaces ever made.miloszz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:08 am Horrible design decision to have the master volume be on a separate page entirely from the two separate page with the synth mixers.
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- KVRAF
- 8102 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
I’ll be honest the layout works really well for touch screens which is always my preference for control layout, tabs are much easier to navigate without a mouse no doubt about that.
- KVRAF
- 18513 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Skeuomorphism is the modern boogeyman of UI design, but removing all visual cues that illuminate the purpose of an interface element usually does more harm than good. There’s nothing about Mariana’s style that couldn’t be done on a single page per synth, complete with a mod matrix showing all the current settings. It’s problem is that it’s designed for a touch screen and they didn’t bother to redesign the plugin version.rod_zero wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 6:40 pmtheir focus on skewmorphism leads to this.zerocrossing wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:14 pmThe entire plugin is long list of poor UI design decisions. What’s weird is that it comes from a company that’s well known for having some of the best physical synthesizer interfaces ever made.miloszz wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:08 am Horrible design decision to have the master volume be on a separate page entirely from the two separate page with the synth mixers.
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- KVRAF
- 8102 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from seattle
Yep I've never liked mixing in Live for this reason, the grey just blends the entire mixer into one mess for me. The 2D interface works in every other way, but with the mixer it's just too much.zerocrossing wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:43 pm Skeuomorphism is the modern boogeyman of UI design, but removing all visual cues that illuminate the purpose of an interface element usually does more harm than good
