Serum development

[classic]

Reading about the future of all this synth
vst 's and this people waiting for more of Zebra, more of Sylenth and so on I thought by my self " As if this vst 's are not capable me making fantastic sounds already, enough to make fantastic music, if we are able to make some "

[Propellerhands]

Reading about the future of all this synth
vst 's and this people waiting for more of Zebra, more of Sylenth and so on I thought by my self " As if this vst 's are not capable me making fantastic sounds already, enough to make fantastic music, if we are able to make some "

That's a classic case of "too much gear too little inspiration".

[pdxindy]

Reading about the future of all this synth
vst 's and this people waiting for more of Zebra, more of Sylenth and so on I thought by my self " As if this vst 's are not capable me making fantastic sounds already, enough to make fantastic music, if we are able to make some "

I'm looking forward to Zebra 3 because it will be MPE capable. Also, Zebra 2 has had a lot of stuff added over the years and Zebra 3 is going to streamline some of the tools. Zebra is plenty good to make sounds already, but improved workflow is always welcome.

[Lbdunequest]

I think Serum is already great the way it is. Maybe few sampler features wouldnt hurt but for the rest its amazing. Simple and at the same time complex beast.

[Korg Supporter]

I have trouble deciding if I should get Serum or Icarus 2 first. They both sound great!

[SamDi]

I guess we're slowly coming up on the era where VST2 synths are going the way of the dodo bird. Serum is a great synth and works fine as VST2, but progress being what it is, it'll eventually end up in the same existential pile as the other famous holdouts (Zebra, Hybrid3, Dune3, Padshop, Retrologue, Sylenth1, etc.)

Zebra and Dune both are VST3

And Zebra 3 is just around the corner.

Since 10 years …

[vasyan]

I would like to know from the Serum developers what programming language is it written in?
I'm interested because it works too slowly and malfunctions on older computers. This is very strange when C++ code is quite fast, and many synthesizers that are functionally more complex than Serum work well on older computers.

[gentleclockdivider]

Double post

[gentleclockdivider]

I would like to know from the Serum developers what programming language is it written in?
I'm interested because it works too slowly and malfunctions on older computers. This is very strange when C++ code is quite fast, and many synthesizers that are functionally more complex than Serum work well on older computers.

It's not because he uses c++ that the final product runs smooth , if your code is not effiecent then what do you expect ? (not implyig Serum's code is not
You can be sure that it's c++ , used framework is not Juce , that's for sure
Quote from steve himself on te forum
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don't use JUCE (well, not exactly, I use it for a custom test host for debugging, I may implement more bits of it). I use VSTGUI and a few other libraries such as Boost and SQLite. JUCE is a fine way to go however. I wouldn't recommend taking my advice, I often do things the hard way, but either way, it's still years of dedication and work, and ultimately "what you use" doesn't matter much (just like the DAW or OS debates). JUCE is probably the right choice, as it's free if you keep things open source, should you make a commercial plug-in the price tag really isn't bad considering what you get.

As for other knowledge, it's just so many sources I wouldn't dare try to list them. There's no shortcuts as far as I'm concerned, eventually you want or need to understand things at the lowest levels, so in some ways it makes sense to start with nothing as well.

But with that said here's a good starting point, I would recommend learning about everything mentioned in the first post before moving forward
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3&t=329696
(I spent months in Reaktor literally, months in Max/MSP, CSound, etc and wouldn't have ever had a clue what do do in C if I didn't have that fluency first).

Hope this helps,
-Steve

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[vasyan]

However, have the developers themselves tried Serum on old computers? Or are they fundamentally ignoring users with outdated hardware?
As an example, I can cite Propellerhead Reason version 5, which works perfectly on my old MacBook Air 2012, with fairly complex synthesis schemes (multiple combinators, effects, etc.).

[vasyan]

JUCE is probably the right choice, as it's free if you keep things open source, should you make a commercial plug-in the price tag really isn't bad considering what you get.

Unfortunately, I don't like this JUCE framework. It is too complex and the license does not allow free use in commercial products.
I develop my plugins on the IPlug2 framework.

[chk071]

However, have the developers themselves tried Serum on old computers? Or are they fundamentally ignoring users with outdated hardware?

How much sense does it make to develop your plugins to work well on "outdated hardware"? I would go for the best possible sound quality, and compromise so that the plugins work well on current hardware. Not on outdated hardware.

[vasyan]

How much sense does it make to develop your plugins to work well on "outdated hardware"? I would go for the best possible sound quality, and compromise so that the plugins work well on current hardware. Not on outdated hardware.

In my opinion, this paradigm implies a hidden cartel conspiracy between plugin developers and hardware manufacturers.

[chk071]

That's a bit far fetched.

But, seriously, Reason 5 was released back in 2010. No wonder that it works better on older hardware than Serum, which was released in 2014, and which has always been a rather ressource hungry VSTi (there are reasons for that, as has been pointed out by Steve Duda).

Sure, I was always disappointed with my former PC as well, when a VST instrument didn't allow me to use more than 3 or 4 instances, but, as I mentioned, developers don't develop their plugins against old hardware, but try to make use of what's present on today's market.

If you buy a 600 to 700 € desktop PC these days (without a fancy graphics card you won't need for audio anyway), it surely will run everything on the plugin market decently. If that's an option for you.

[HcDoom]

Any news on Serum 2 with new Steve and Dave Gamble wizardry?