Serum development

[dionenoid]

Any news on Serum 2 with new Steve and Dave Gamble wizardry?

This was posted 6 weeks ago on the DMG FB group :

Serum 2 has taken over our lives and business and will continue to do so for the next year, but we're mostly through the process.

So, not much news but release somewhere next year is what i take from that.

[Don Deluxe]

Welcome to modern software development. End users often expect new features at breakneck speed.

Serum is an outstanding Wavetable synth, and outside of evolving to new technical requirements, its core feature development needs to end. There’s nothing wrong with Serum only being a Wavetable synth.

Feature bloat is awful. I have handfuls of plugins that do all sorts of things, but when I want a fast, great sounding Wavetable synth, I reach for Serum.

[vasyan]

But, seriously, Reason 5 was released back in 2010. No wonder that it works better on older hardware than Serum, which was released in 2014, and which has always been a rather ressource hungry VSTi (there are reasons for that, as has been pointed out by Steve Duda).

As a plugin developer, I believe that Serum spends computer resources on the GUI, for example, drawing graphs in dynamic mode. However, if there was an option to disable all these GUI features, then I believe the DSP could work fine and work fine on less powerful computers.

[Korg Supporter]

But, seriously, Reason 5 was released back in 2010. No wonder that it works better on older hardware than Serum, which was released in 2014, and which has always been a rather ressource hungry VSTi (there are reasons for that, as has been pointed out by Steve Duda).

As a plugin developer, I believe that Serum spends computer resources on the GUI, for example, drawing graphs in dynamic mode. However, if there was an option to disable all these GUI features, then I believe the DSP could work fine and work fine on less powerful computers.

How much CPU does Serum use without the GUI then?

[gentleclockdivider]

But, seriously, Reason 5 was released back in 2010. No wonder that it works better on older hardware than Serum, which was released in 2014, and which has always been a rather ressource hungry VSTi (there are reasons for that, as has been pointed out by Steve Duda).

As a plugin developer, I believe that Serum spends computer resources on the GUI, for example, drawing graphs in dynamic mode. However, if there was an option to disable all these GUI features, then I believe the DSP could work fine and work fine on less powerful computers.

Yep I've noticed this too when demoing it long time ago
Some plugins tax the cpu when their gui is brought up .

[Synthman2000]

Serum 2 had better be something seriously different and much better than Serum otherwise I for one am out.

This is free that's wavetable only.

https://www.fullbucket.de/music/images/whispair.jpg

I have not tried it but will do so shortly. Very interesting how some people value themselves to charge high end and others, nothing. Serum 2 is highly likely not going to make your music better. I say this as a Serum 1 owner it has not made my music better, in fact it is kind of going towards B list category for me these days. Super clean = super boring ? Maybe. Serum or any synth will not make better melodies, better harmonies, better chord sequences, better arrangements or help you finish a piece.

This is something I am going to consider every time I feel the need to purchase a music making plug in. It's my 2024 resolution.

Is this categorically going to make my music better over what I have now ?

If the answer is no. The 'software party' is over as far as I am concerned.

[liquidsound]

Serum 2 had better be something seriously different and much better than Serum otherwise I for one am out.

This is free that's wavetable only.

https://www.fullbucket.de/music/images/whispair.jpg

I have not tried it but will do so shortly. Very interesting how some people value themselves to charge high end and others, nothing. Serum 2 is highly likely not going to make your music better. I say this as a Serum 1 owner it has not made my music better, in fact it is kind of going towards B list category for me these days. Super clean = super boring ? Maybe. Serum or any synth with not make better melodies, better harmonies, better chord sequences, better arrangements, or help you finish a piece.

This is something I am going to consider every time I feel the need to purchase a music making plug in. It's my 2024 resolution.

Is this categorically going to make my music better over what I have now ?

If the answer is no. The 'software party' is over as far as I am concerned.

https://www.vast-dynamics.com/?q=products

[chk071]

Is this categorically going to make my music better over what I have now ?

It will probably make it easier to dial in good sounding sounds (without having to post-produce them too much). Like always, with the better synths.

That said, I haven't tried the Full Bucket synth. But, I tried some of them in the past, and wasn't impressed.

[Synthman2000]

Try em all, all the free ones. It's you who makes the music not a synth.

[Synthman2000]

Is this categorically going to make my music better over what I have now ?

It will probably make it easier to dial in good sounding sounds. Like always, with the better synths.

That said, I haven't tried the Full Bucket synth. But, I tried some of them in the past, and wasn't impressed.

Of a kind, maybe. There are so many where I have not gone deep enough myself and I have plenty of choices. Right now software is pretty much out unless it is truly groundbreaking.

I want for nothing. Serum might be good if you want to sound exactly the same as everyone else does.

Software is kind of done, it's become very lazy, very samey, no progress, so don't expect people to spend money on it anymore unless it is serious a cut above the rest.

Same with Zebra 3 for me unless it kills any similar synth, I won't be paying top dollar for the same old stuff, same old sound. Those days are well and truly gone.

[chk071]

The motivation to buy something has mostly ceased for me as well, but, for other reasons: I already have all the stuff I consider good, mostly.

That said, Serum is a very good synth, and, if it was for sale sometimes, like, 50% off, I would probably already own it. And, yes, it DOES sound better than some other stuff to me. Otherwise, I wouldn't even look at it.

Zebra 3, I'm not interested in either. Zebra 2 already wasn't my favorite sounding synth, and, it's too much of a complex beast as well. I prefer more streamlined soft synths.

In the last 5 years or something, nothing came out which sounded in any way better than what I already have. Last synth which kinda "wow'd" me was Massive X, and that only partly was well.

[Synthman2000]

If I see one more, pointing, gurning, wet behind the ears, 20 something, pink LED glowing, on YT who knows literally zero about anything pro sound, makes me almost puke.

Maybe they get their inspiration from here:



https://www.sickchirpse.com/world-gurni ... ightmares/

[martiu]

remember when the synths made brrrrrr, good times

[billinder33]

The original Serum is great, but the UI/UE is getting a little outdated and that's where most of my issues with it lie. I'd be interested in a Serum 2 if came at a reasonable upgrade price, improved the modulation assignment, made their OTT unit more flexible, provided better zooming on their envelopes, grid snapping on the LFOs, and provided more visual feedback on their FX units, and added a decent Arp. Also, every VST parameter should double-click back to default (in serum, it's alt+click or something of that ilk).

I use Serum, PhasePlant, and Current about equally. They all kind of scratch the wavtable itch in different ways.

[liquidsound]

The original Serum is great, but the UI/UE is getting a little outdated and that's where most of my issues with it lie. I'd be interested in a Serum 2 if came at a reasonable upgrade price, improved the modulation assignment, made their OTT unit more flexible, provided better zooming on their envelopes, grid snapping on the LFOs, and provided more visual feedback on their FX units, and added a decent Arp. Also, every VST parameter should double-click back to default (in serum, it's alt+click or something of that ilk).

I use Serum, PhasePlant, and Current about equally. They all kind of scratch the wavtable itch in different ways.

The LFO do snap to grid