What limiter are u using?

[BackInCheck]

Demoing it now. No ISP protection, I need to set the ceiling to -1.5 to prevent peaks from going any further than -0.3. Pumpy. Mushes transients and the high end. Same deal as the free W1 so for me only worth using on tracks/buses.

The input/output are amplifiers - the limiting is set to 0.0. You can enable oversampling and also the other advanced features. Yes, not a modern mastering limiter and not pretending to be one (either was L1, really).

It sounds pretty bad (not good), even at moderate gain reduction levels. Well, not surprising, considering that it's based on the obsolete L1 limiter of the late 1990s. Why would I use a bad sounding limiter, when I can use a free limiter like Kilohearts Limiter, that sounds significantly better for all basic limiting purposes? Not to mention dedicated mastering limiters like Tokyo Dawn Limiter 6.

Ever use a saturation or distortion plugin?

And if you don’t like how it sounds, leave it those who know better

It doesn’t replace a clean limiter on the mix bus or whenever that’s needed. But that’s not always needed.

If I want saturation, I use a dedicated saturation plugin. However, I don't want my dynamics plugins to cause distortion inadvertendly as an undesired side-effect.

If that is something you like, go for it. I'm not judging you!

El Juan, to me, is a dedicated saturation plugin that functions a bit like overdrive (yeah I’m simplifying). I even have a hardware analog gear (Acidbox 3) that has a built in limiter that starts getting hit harder and distorts as you crank the input level. I have another analog overdrive that tends to flatten things out and eventually distorts. I have another analog pedal, a chorus pedal, that you can get to distort if you crank the input volume.

If I want to cleanly limit something I’d use a plugin designed for that. I have and use others.

Good for you! Personally I use saturation plugins if I want saturation, not modulation pedals or limiters. But hey: more power to you, if you feel like using effects outside of their intended and specialised purpose is something you enjoy.

By the way: even if for argument's sake we assume for a second that El Juan is supposed to be a dedicated saturation plugin (hint: it's not, it evolves around the idea of recreating the late 1990s Waves L1 limiting algo with a few extra gimmicks and more importantly, it's a trial of the new authorisation process for Korneff Audio, hence they basically gave it away for free to gain free beta-testers), the saturation it produces sounds pretty undesirable to me, compared to what I would typically use for saturation (think Fuse Audio / NEOLD).

[vitocorleone123]

The input/output are amplifiers - the limiting is set to 0.0. You can enable oversampling and also the other advanced features. Yes, not a modern mastering limiter and not pretending to be one (either was L1, really).

It sounds pretty bad (not good), even at moderate gain reduction levels. Well, not surprising, considering that it's based on the obsolete L1 limiter of the late 1990s. Why would I use a bad sounding limiter, when I can use a free limiter like Kilohearts Limiter, that sounds significantly better for all basic limiting purposes? Not to mention dedicated mastering limiters like Tokyo Dawn Limiter 6.

Ever use a saturation or distortion plugin?

And if you don’t like how it sounds, leave it those who know better

It doesn’t replace a clean limiter on the mix bus or whenever that’s needed. But that’s not always needed.

If I want saturation, I use a dedicated saturation plugin. However, I don't want my dynamics plugins to cause distortion inadvertendly as an undesired side-effect.

If that is something you like, go for it. I'm not judging you!

El Juan, to me, is a dedicated saturation plugin that functions a bit like overdrive (yeah I’m simplifying). I even have a hardware analog gear (Acidbox 3) that has a built in limiter that starts getting hit harder and distorts as you crank the input level. I have another analog overdrive that tends to flatten things out and eventually distorts. I have another analog pedal, a chorus pedal, that you can get to distort if you crank the input volume.

If I want to cleanly limit something I’d use a plugin designed for that. I have and use others.

Good for you! Personally I use saturation plugins if I want saturation, not modulation pedals or limiters. But hey: more power to you, if you feel like using effects outside of their intended and specialised purpose is something you enjoy.

By the way: even if for argument's sake we assume for a second that El Juan is supposed to be a dedicated saturation plugin (hint: it's not, it evolves around the idea of recreating the late 1990s Waves L1 limiting algo with a few extra gimmicks and more importantly, it's a trial of the new authorisation process for Korneff Audio, hence they basically gave it away for free to gain free beta-testers), the saturation it produces sounds pretty undesirable to me, compared to what I would typically use for saturation (think Fuse Audio / NEOLD).

Good for you! I personally dislike Fuse Audio and NEOLD sound - I deleted all of them (had most of the Fuse plugins) awhile back as being inferior-sounding to the ones I like. And you're mistaken if you think saturation and distortion aren't baked into something like El Juan or the Acidbox 3 and are "outside their intended and specialised purpose" - this just tells me you don't understand them. Anyway, it's not like anyone is forcing you to use them or like them, same as me and Fuse Audio, for example.

[HOTF]

It sounds pretty bad (not good), even at moderate gain reduction levels. Well, not surprising, considering that it's based on the obsolete L1 limiter of the late 1990s. Why would I use a bad sounding limiter, when I can use a free limiter like Kilohearts Limiter, that sounds significantly better for all basic limiting purposes? Not to mention dedicated mastering limiters like Tokyo Dawn Limiter 6.

Ever use a saturation or distortion plugin?

And if you don’t like how it sounds, leave it those who know better

It doesn’t replace a clean limiter on the mix bus or whenever that’s needed. But that’s not always needed.

If I want saturation, I use a dedicated saturation plugin. However, I don't want my dynamics plugins to cause distortion inadvertendly as an undesired side-effect.

If that is something you like, go for it. I'm not judging you!

El Juan, to me, is a dedicated saturation plugin that functions a bit like overdrive (yeah I’m simplifying). I even have a hardware analog gear (Acidbox 3) that has a built in limiter that starts getting hit harder and distorts as you crank the input level. I have another analog overdrive that tends to flatten things out and eventually distorts. I have another analog pedal, a chorus pedal, that you can get to distort if you crank the input volume.

If I want to cleanly limit something I’d use a plugin designed for that. I have and use others.

Good for you! Personally I use saturation plugins if I want saturation, not modulation pedals or limiters. But hey: more power to you, if you feel like using effects outside of their intended and specialised purpose is something you enjoy.

By the way: even if for argument's sake we assume for a second that El Juan is supposed to be a dedicated saturation plugin (hint: it's not, it evolves around the idea of recreating the late 1990s Waves L1 limiting algo with a few extra gimmicks and more importantly, it's a trial of the new authorisation process for Korneff Audio, hence they basically gave it away for free to gain free beta-testers), the saturation it produces sounds pretty undesirable to me, compared to what I would typically use for saturation (think Fuse Audio / NEOLD).

Good for you! I personally dislike Fuse Audio and NEOLD sound - I deleted all of them (had most of the Fuse plugins) awhile back as being inferior-sounding to the ones I like. And you're mistaken if you think saturation and distortion aren't baked into something like El Juan or the Acidbox 3 and are "outside their intended and specialised purpose" - this just tells me you don't understand them. Anyway, it's not like anyone is forcing you to use them or like them, same as me and Fuse Audio, for example.

to be fair, sometimes shity behaviour are desirable. 303 is objectively a dog shit piece of gear thats why its so uniquely good. People are looking for some cheap mackie mixer emulation because they like the shitty distorted tone it can give thier music. People love cheap algorithmic reverbs for the 80s because they are so bad at replicating real spaces that they have their own flavour. I have no clue how the El Juan plugin sounds but if it can reproduce the sound of a less than ideal algo from the 90s that the other commenter have nostalgia for I can why it's valuable for him.

[osiris]

I found two delicious ones. Analog Obsession YALA and Variety of Sound Density MKIII

[Rhyank]

Fabfilter Pro L or Ozone Maximizer

[vitocorleone123]

Ever use a saturation or distortion plugin?

And if you don’t like how it sounds, leave it those who know better

It doesn’t replace a clean limiter on the mix bus or whenever that’s needed. But that’s not always needed.

If I want saturation, I use a dedicated saturation plugin. However, I don't want my dynamics plugins to cause distortion inadvertendly as an undesired side-effect.

If that is something you like, go for it. I'm not judging you!

El Juan, to me, is a dedicated saturation plugin that functions a bit like overdrive (yeah I’m simplifying). I even have a hardware analog gear (Acidbox 3) that has a built in limiter that starts getting hit harder and distorts as you crank the input level. I have another analog overdrive that tends to flatten things out and eventually distorts. I have another analog pedal, a chorus pedal, that you can get to distort if you crank the input volume.

If I want to cleanly limit something I’d use a plugin designed for that. I have and use others.

Good for you! Personally I use saturation plugins if I want saturation, not modulation pedals or limiters. But hey: more power to you, if you feel like using effects outside of their intended and specialised purpose is something you enjoy.

By the way: even if for argument's sake we assume for a second that El Juan is supposed to be a dedicated saturation plugin (hint: it's not, it evolves around the idea of recreating the late 1990s Waves L1 limiting algo with a few extra gimmicks and more importantly, it's a trial of the new authorisation process for Korneff Audio, hence they basically gave it away for free to gain free beta-testers), the saturation it produces sounds pretty undesirable to me, compared to what I would typically use for saturation (think Fuse Audio / NEOLD).

Good for you! I personally dislike Fuse Audio and NEOLD sound - I deleted all of them (had most of the Fuse plugins) awhile back as being inferior-sounding to the ones I like. And you're mistaken if you think saturation and distortion aren't baked into something like El Juan or the Acidbox 3 and are "outside their intended and specialised purpose" - this just tells me you don't understand them. Anyway, it's not like anyone is forcing you to use them or like them, same as me and Fuse Audio, for example.

to be fair, sometimes shity behaviour are desirable. 303 is objectively a dog shit piece of gear thats why its so uniquely good. People are looking for some cheap mackie mixer emulation because they like the shitty distorted tone it can give thier music. People love cheap algorithmic reverbs for the 80s because they are so bad at replicating real spaces that they have their own flavour. I have no clue how the El Juan plugin sounds but if it can reproduce the sound of a less than ideal algo from the 90s that the other commenter have nostalgia for I can why it's valuable for him.

FYI - It doesn't just reproduce - it has tone shaping, oversampling, input shaping, dual mono, auto/bpm/manual release, dithering, and more that the original does not that makes it a new plugin.

And it was free.

It's a nice compliment to Tracklimit, which is cleaner (but doesn't have to fully be) and the UAD 175-B which is barely a limiter, along with the Korneff Talkback limiter which is a smasher.

I use ProL2 and Ozone for "clean" on the mixbus (and will probably get smart limit). But when jamming I just put Tracklimit on the mnixbus since it has almost no latency.

[legendCNCD]

I found two delicious ones. Analog Obsession YALA and Variety of Sound Density MKIII

Density is freaking amazing for thickness, but its not brickwall limiter if I remember right.
Maybe we'll start using it again after 50% of us move back to PC.

[osiris]

Yse I love it. It will limit if you push the Drive knob, but it's not exact. The thickness thing is real. I can hear it.

[see212]

TDR Limiter 6 GE

[Nug Wrangler]

this seems good:

https://pressplay-music.com/wave-breaker/

[Kalee]

TDR Limiter 6 GE

[Monsieur_FyP]

Korneff El Juan
Kilohearts Limiter
LoudMax by Thomas Mundt
D16 Frontier (seldom)

[Monsieur_FyP]

this seems good:

https://pressplay-music.com/wave-breaker/

Oh, thanks for the info! I'll give it a try…

[The Main Event]

Since only now i discovered how good Pro-L2 actually is - after years of using it "wrong" - and that its actually also a Clipper, it makes my favourite limiter for sure by far! Its so flexible once you dive deep in the settings. In case you didnt know it (like me), there is the guy on youtube (higly recommended channel!) that explains it in detail:

[lotus2035]

Limitey Limits Limiter from Limitless Limitations (Limited Edition)