One Synth Challenge #179: Any One Synth (ZioMau wins!) (Updated Prize)

[midi sentinel]

Thank you for clarifications.

[liqih]

Thanks people, here is a 1 minute preview with 11 instances of "Glitch pad", not all playing at once.
This Should give you the flavour of its sound:
https://nusofting.com/stuff/glitch_pad_preview.mp3

So I would use this synth (link below) released as beta today,
any objections, from anyone? <grin>
https://nusofting.com/glitch_pad_beta

downloaded - makes some interesting sounds. Nice to see synth with different concept.

Objections? No. I even installed it and I must say - you're so brave!

Congats getting it to this release point! Looks interesting as you hinted.

I say go for it ... as you say, it is available for download by everyone ...

dB

[liqih]

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[TrojakEW]

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[ZioMau]

Hi everybody!
At first i was indecided to use either a never used synth (NI Massive) or my most used (AIR Hybrid 3) or a newest free (RF Pneuma pro) that i love in its previous versions. Then i thought that i never had one of the most famous, talked about, and used free synth, that...Vital. So i downloaded it and i found it fantastic: easy to use, verstile, great effects included, cool gui, excellent defined and solid sounds...well all things that only me didn't know.

I had in mind an 80's funky track, but playing some chords i fell down in a bossa rhythm. i couldn't stop the FLOW. I blended it with my funky idea and the track came to life.

--- Submission ---

- FLOW -

https://soundcloud.com/zio-mau/ziomau-f ... al_sharing

where in Reaper 7 i loaded:

-- instruments --
|VST3i: Vital (Vital Audio) |14 |

-- fx --
|VST: MBandPass (MeldaProduction) |2 |
|VST: ReaComp (Cockos) |3 |
|VST: ReaEQ (Cockos) |9 |
|VST: Roth-AIR (Rothmann) |1 |
|VST: RoughRider3 (Audio Damage, Inc.) |1 |
|VST3: Solaris (Adam Szabo) |1 |

-- midi --
|JS: MIDI Note Filter |2 |
|VSTi: VeloScaler (CodeFN42) |1 |

-- master ch --
|VST3: SSQ (AnalogObsession) |1 |
|VST3: BUSTERse (AnalogObsession) |1 |
|VST: Roth-AIR (Rothmann) |1 |
|VST3: LoudMax (Thomas Mundt) |1 |

-- metering --
|VST: Youlean Loudness Meter (Youlean) (6ch)|1 |
|VST: SPAN (Voxengo) (8ch) |1 |
|VST: MStereoScope (MeldaProduction) |1 |
|VST: ISOL8 (TBProAudio) |1 |

no paid plugins used

Well, as always i spent 10 hours for songwriting and recording (and i'm happy for the result) and 2 thousand for mix and master (and i'm never satisfied).

See you around here and ciaooooo

[Rahodees]

Rules question--while still only using one synth, and while not altering the sound at all, can I use samples from that synth in a separate drum sampler? The point being just to have one place to do all my rhythm sequencing.

It's waveform's free micro drum sampler, so really just basic sequencing, not using it for anything fancy.

[doctorbob]

Two things come to mind ... you cannot use samples in any synth of choice.

All audio must stay in the DAW of choice - you cannot export it to any other DAW (or sequencer).

I would think the answer is no, you need to sequence your drums in your synth of choice (MIDI) and synthesise the drum sounds in that synth, taking care not to use samples or a "sampler" in that synth. Also, if it's a wavetable synth, then you must not import waveforms for effectively sample playback, only single cycle waveforms allowed. Watch out for what presets are doing! They might engage the sampler module if the synth has one.

Another point is that you cannot e.g. synthesize a kick drum sound, then cut and paste the audio along your kick track for a consistent sound (inconsistent is often the case when the oscillators are free running).

Maybe the mods could chime in with something more "definitive", but I really think it's a non-starter.

dB

[PeterBPL]

Rules question--while still only using one synth, and while not altering the sound at all, can I use samples from that synth in a separate drum sampler? The point being just to have one place to do all my rhythm sequencing.

It's waveform's free micro drum sampler, so really just basic sequencing, not using it for anything fancy.

IMO it's a little strange - if you have drums generated by synth, you can just made drum section using DAW the same good (or even better) as in separate plugn (no need of making samples, put these samples to separate plugin etc). There is plenty of useful stuff people use every day, nice plugins that made life easier or change sound in a various ways. But in my opinion whole point of OSC is to sacrifice your own comfort and get a little tired while creating your song and being limited by the requirements.

BUT if you're using samples created from synth without modifications (and without any factory predefined midi sequences) it should be ok - sound is the same, isn't? Except one thing - in theory (is something like that in rules) admin may ask for your project to check if everything is ok. And in that case (probably rare) you'll have lot of work to explain how samples was prepared, how everything was assembly together etc.

It's only few my thoughts. I think admin would be more qualify to answer your question. For music (how it sound) it makes no difference, but I'm not sure about other rules.

[FrogsInPants]

Rules question--while still only using one synth, and while not altering the sound at all, can I use samples from that synth in a separate drum sampler? The point being just to have one place to do all my rhythm sequencing.

Usually, no. The rules do allow an exception to the no-sampling rule, "for convenience or CPU saving, synth bouncing are allowed but only where the EXACT same result could have been achieved using the original synth: - This means that for example pitching and reversing is not allowed; sampling a bass drum in order to get a consistent sound is not allowed either." Usually, this means bouncing an entire track. There is a mention of samplers, though, so what you ask might be allowed if you really can get exactly the same result for each note of your drum patches - same oscillator phase, same noise, same everything. Expect to be scrutinized, I guess? I think people who want to sequence their drums together typically send the MIDI from one track to many, filtering the specific notes each instrument track will handle, or have other solutions for routing the input to multiple synth instances.

[Uncle E]

Oops, I bounced down my kick. I’ll re-do it.

[doctorbob]

... think people who want to sequence their drums together typically send the MIDI from one track to many, filtering the specific notes each instrument track will handle, or have other solutions for routing the input to multiple synth instances.

Yes, this is how many/most will do it. I will, e.g., sequence all percussion on a single track, often using e.g. MS GM synth for sounds when tracking or editing notes, then I explode that track out to single percussion tracks and stick my synth on each of these and design the sounds for that percussion instrument, adding whatever FX I feel I need on a per instrument basis. I can also pan and mix each element of the percussion independently. Pretty sure most people do some variation of this.

These tracks are then grouped together along with a Reverb Buss, with each track routed to it if needed, and thus I have then a single fader to control the whole of the percussion in the main mix, but still retain control over the individual percussion instruments.

As for the use of samples from the synth, even if synthesised, in an external sequencer, and then (I assume) that audio track would be imported back into the DAW with the melodic instrument tracks is probably not allowed.

We are allowed to generate MIDI via an external program and import that MIDI though. e.g. using a generative music program!

dB

[doctorbob]

Oops, I bounced down my kick. I’ll re-do it.

Bad boy, slap hands!!!
Best fix it eh?
No biggy, but deffo against the rulez.

If you bounced down the WHOLE kick track to an audio stem, then that's OK. Just can't bounce a single kick, and paste that audio along the kick track, inviting as that may sound (pun intended!)

Good job I mentioned it.

dB

[Negoba]

Rules question--while still only using one synth, and while not altering the sound at all, can I use samples from that synth in a separate drum sampler? The point being just to have one place to do all my rhythm sequencing.

It's waveform's free micro drum sampler, so really just basic sequencing, not using it for anything fancy.

I asked this exact question last month and the answer was no from the organizers.

[Uncle E]

No problem. Like PeterBPL said, the point is to sacrifice our own comfort, and bouncing down was just a hack that let me avoid finding out what made the sound unstable in the first place.

[FrogsInPants]

Rules question--while still only using one synth, and while not altering the sound at all, can I use samples from that synth in a separate drum sampler? The point being just to have one place to do all my rhythm sequencing.

It's waveform's free micro drum sampler, so really just basic sequencing, not using it for anything fancy.

I asked this exact question last month and the answer was no from the organizers.

My question is, if sampling the synth in this way is never permitted, to what do the rules refer where they say, "Samplers used must be host samplers or freeware and easily available?" Is there a situation where you would need to record to a sampler to play back once, but couldn't simply bounce the track to audio in the DAW?

I'm all for a simple rule like no sampling the synth, but you are allowed to bounce a whole track for performance. I always took the rules as stated to mean that sampling would be permitted in a case where the synth itself would produce entirely consistent output, but this is just rarely the case in practice.