Arturia Pigments 5 out now
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- KVRAF
- 2064 posts since 13 Dec, 2016
So, is Pigments 5 now the best synth on the planet? The one to rule them all?
Its over for Bitwig--CUBASE WON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- KVRian
- 783 posts since 16 Jun, 2022
No the best synth is the one you don't have but want to buy.enCiphered wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:14 pm So, is Pigments 5 now the best synth on the planet? The one to rule them all?
I make electronic music - DAW of choice : Live 12 
- KVRAF
- 4066 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Yes definitely.... For those who prefer it...enCiphered wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:14 pm So, is Pigments 5 now the best synth on the planet? The one to rule them all?
Phase Plant is also the best synth on the planet. Also Avenger 2 by the way.
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- KVRAF
- 1899 posts since 2 Apr, 2015
Fannon wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:06 amOh, I totally didn't know that. I've now looked into the manual and found that you can set the default / middle value via hidden setting. But how would you set minimum / maximum?BobDog wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:26 pm If you don't want to edit the ranges in the Pigments patch you can set minimum and maximum levels for the Y axis on the linnstrument, set it up as you want for Pigments and then save it as a preset and use that preset when playing Pigments.
p.s. If you just want to get rid of the Macro 1 modulations, there is a little pull-down "v" next to the name, that brings up a menu where you can delete them, mute them or reassign them.
4) RELATIVE
If off, CC messages reflect absolute finger position within note cell.
If on, a CC value of 64 is sent at first regardless of the position of touch, and subsequent Y-axis movements increase or decrease that value.
Hidden setting: Y-axis Relative Initial value
Hold to set the starting relative value from its default of 64 to any value from 0 to 127. For example, if using Y-axis to add a modulation amount, the Y-axis value at first touch will be zero, then moving your finger forward will increase the value.
You can find the info here:
https://www.rogerlinndesign.com/support ... l-settings
The relevant bit is:
Timbre/Y (column 9)
These settings are related to forward/rearward finger movements, which are limited to the 17 mm depth of each note pad.
1) ON
If on, MIDI messages are sent in response to Y-axis finger movements.
If off, they are not.
Hidden setting: Timbre/Y High/Low Limits
Normally the value sent for Timbre/Y has a range of 0 to 127. However, you can change the low and high limits so that the sent values will be scaled between these limits. To change these range limits, hold the On pad and the screen will display large characters. Swipe up or down to switch between the following two settings, and left or right to edit each setting’s value:
"L 0": the Low Timbre/Y limit, from 0 to 127.
"H127": the High Timbre/Y limit, from 0 to 127.
If these settings are changed from their default values of L 0 and H127, the On pad in the Per-Split Settings screen will be lit in the accent color. Note that if the high limit is lower than the low limit, the output range will be inverted.
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- KVRAF
- 35671 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
No.enCiphered wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:14 pm So, is Pigments 5 now the best synth on the planet? The one to rule them all?
- KVRAF
- 2982 posts since 31 Jan, 2003 from Ghent, Belgium
Highly unlikely.davidka wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 11:56 am I wonder if the explorations bundle and V-Collection X affect each other's prices?
I mean, if I buy the preset pack now, would it count into a future V-Collection X purchase in any percentage?
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- KVRAF
- 1819 posts since 10 Jul, 2018
How does the generative sequencer in Pigments compare with the generative midi in Ableton 12 beta? I'll be getting the update to Ableton 12 for free, so I'm wondering whether that will end up being better than the generative sequencer in Pigments. Does the Pigments generative sequencer use generative AI?
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- KVRAF
- 1637 posts since 28 Jul, 2006
Not until they make the analog engine sound better. I think they purposely gimped it because they think it might cannibalize V Collection sales.enCiphered wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:14 pm So, is Pigments 5 now the best synth on the planet? The one to rule them all?
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- KVRAF
- 2429 posts since 11 Jan, 2009 from Portland, OR, USA
Oh give me a break. They did no so such thing, and have no such concern.briefcasemanx wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:21 pmNot until they make the analog engine sound better. I think they purposely gimped it because they think it might cannibalize V Collection sales.enCiphered wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:14 pm So, is Pigments 5 now the best synth on the planet? The one to rule them all?
- KVRian
- 783 posts since 16 Jun, 2022
Ableton new midi tools offer much more than just a ''generative sequencer''. its also not just for melodic elements but for rythmmical stuff. My guess is ableton's will be more powerful but pigments will be great at creating sequences for it self quickly and efficientlyOu_Tis wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:12 pm How does the generative sequencer in Pigments compare with the generative midi in Ableton 12 beta? I'll be getting the update to Ableton 12 for free, so I'm wondering whether that will end up being better than the generative sequencer in Pigments. Does the Pigments generative sequencer use generative AI?
I make electronic music - DAW of choice : Live 12 
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- KVRAF
- 1819 posts since 10 Jul, 2018
The Pigments arp/sequencer can also output midi. I'm wondering if there's a simple way to have the sequencer's midi output with an MPE controller to control an MPE synth while using per-Pigments-voice pitchbend/Slide without also sending the notes being played on the controller to the (non-Pigments) MPE synth.HOTF wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:01 pmAbleton new midi tools offer much more than just a ''generative sequencer''. its also not just for melodic elements but for rythmmical stuff. My guess is ableton's will be more powerful but pigments will be great at creating sequences for it self quickly and efficientlyOu_Tis wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:12 pm How does the generative sequencer in Pigments compare with the generative midi in Ableton 12 beta? I'll be getting the update to Ableton 12 for free, so I'm wondering whether that will end up being better than the generative sequencer in Pigments. Does the Pigments generative sequencer use generative AI?
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- KVRian
- 923 posts since 13 Jul, 2006
Ok, thanks! That looks very helpful. But I've tried it and the setting works differently than I would have expected from the description. The Y range is not scaled to the low and high limits. Instead it just reduces the Y axis size accordingly. This means that the value changes have still the same scale / ratio, they just stop earlier.BobDog wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 3:46 pm You can find the info here:
https://www.rogerlinndesign.com/support ... l-settings
The relevant bit is:
Timbre/Y (column 9)
These settings are related to forward/rearward finger movements, which are limited to the 17 mm depth of each note pad.
1) ON
If on, MIDI messages are sent in response to Y-axis finger movements.
If off, they are not.
Hidden setting: Timbre/Y High/Low Limits
Normally the value sent for Timbre/Y has a range of 0 to 127. However, you can change the low and high limits so that the sent values will be scaled between these limits. To change these range limits, hold the On pad and the screen will display large characters. Swipe up or down to switch between the following two settings, and left or right to edit each setting’s value:
"L 0": the Low Timbre/Y limit, from 0 to 127.
"H127": the High Timbre/Y limit, from 0 to 127.
If these settings are changed from their default values of L 0 and H127, the On pad in the Per-Split Settings screen will be lit in the accent color. Note that if the high limit is lower than the low limit, the output range will be inverted.
Or is this an issue on my side?
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