Sad state of Native Instruments

[LFO8]

Just saying, but, NI just updated one of their 17 year old synths: https://community.native-instruments.co ... 6-0#latest

That said, I'm sure the nitpickers will find something very scandalous about that again, of course.

ofcourse.. because.. NI being NI; they do not addres the graphics. They make for a poor user experience on a modern system that uses anything above 720p

But NI think: "Oh hey, that doesn't matter at all.. you've got NKS!!"

[chk071]

Ah... there we go.

[LFO8]

Ah... there we go.

Happy to be of service

[glokraw]

Just saying, but, NI just updated one of their 17 year old synths: https://community.native-instruments.co ... 6-0#latest

That said, I'm sure the nitpickers will find something very scandalous about that again, of course.

Maybe NI made a few good hires after laying off some who may have been less than superlative coders? Good news for Massive users, and music consumers. Hope it starts a trend!
Cheers

[glokraw]

snip...
That said - once you are on NA v3.8.x - you will now be good for all things NI for the foreseeable future.
VP

As if NI or anyone else can accurately foresee the immense OS and hardware changes tossed out like mardi-gras beads to the drunken masses below

As if NI or anyone can accurately impose their kontrol freekery (on kustomers with myriad konfigurations, and near-myriad needs) without sometimes foisting flawed releases of Native Access on us. It's great 'when' it works, but at least give kustomers the option to not auto-update systems they rely on that are working well. Kommon kourtesy. V1.14 works fine here, and by the time I've used the desired kontent of Complete 12 and Complete 13, Native Access 5.9 will be in Complete 17 subscription plans, and still kausing headaches for some kustomers I neither need nor want to roll dice on improving what already works. Make options available. Including simple installers and serial-number registration for each individual product. Others in Berlin have done that for ages, so join the party already, and "...be happy"!

[AnalogGuy1]

Truly I am not trolling here, just looking for a quick answer. After over a decade of actively gigging in a covers band using softsynths under Cantabile, I left my band about 3 years ago, and haven't touched anything but my physical keyboard since. When I left the covers band, I used Kontakt and Massive for 40% of our setlist (Pianoteq for the other 60%), and I HATED every minute of working on such crazy tiny graphics on the Surface laptop I used. I'm considering dusting things off and getting back into public playing. Are NI graphics on Massive and Kontakt fully scalable now, as they are on Cantabile and Pianoteq? I remember NI had said that Kontakt was scalable, but I found that it only made parts bigger, while leaving the text in the library so small that it was unpleasant to use.

I'm not NI-bashing - I'm only familiar with Kontakt as a sampler and, while (of course) I've used other VSTs, I still find Massive the fastest to program and modulate to emulate known sounds from the 70's-90's era, so I'd like to pick them up once again.

[mixyguy2]

Well, you're confused and I don't think that knot can be simply untied by telling you to just read it again.

Hardly. But again, enjoy believing whatever you want and dodging what I said by just going "you're confused." Impressive.

[mixyguy2]

Here. Look at the NI page on Kontakt, they never mention the term plugin for the Kontakt instruments. They mention them as "instruments" 25 times, of those 25 times only once is it used to say "Native Intruments", it's always used to describe what you keep calling plugins. I mean you personally can call them whatever you want to, but there's mountains of evidence on the internet contradicting your opinion on this. In general nomenclature for DAWs is pretty loose, but Kontakt Instruments are not loose, it's what they call them.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-7/

But wait, someone else here insists that "anything that requires a host plugin (or DAW) to run is a library." So based on your evidence, either he or NI is wrong...

[mixyguy2]

Keep spreading nonsense

More dazzling counterpoint. Come up with that all by yourself?

[rasmusklump]

Libraries are libraries and not plugins.
B4 was a plugin before it became a Kontakt library as was Akoustik Pianos.

[machinesworking]

Here. Look at the NI page on Kontakt, they never mention the term plugin for the Kontakt instruments. They mention them as "instruments" 25 times, of those 25 times only once is it used to say "Native Intruments", it's always used to describe what you keep calling plugins. I mean you personally can call them whatever you want to, but there's mountains of evidence on the internet contradicting your opinion on this. In general nomenclature for DAWs is pretty loose, but Kontakt Instruments are not loose, it's what they call them.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... kontakt-7/

But wait, someone else here insists that "anything that requires a host plugin (or DAW) to run is a library." So based on your evidence, either he or NI is wrong...

You're the one saying the instruments in Kontakt are plugins right? because that, is all I'm commenting on here. They aren't plugins, they're instruments as per NI's nomenclature.

[AnalogGuy1]

Do the current versions of Kontakt and Massive do GUI scaling?

I punched out of using VSTs a few years ago when I retired from live performing, and they were so painful to use then that I avoided designing new sounds. I'm interested in getting back to performing, but I will learn a new sampler and synth architecture to avoid squinting if NI's GUIs still are not DPI sensitive.

Maybe this is the wrong place to ask; it seems to be devolving into "you said something stupid," "no, you're stupid" posts; if that's the case, I'll politely bow out. Dunning Kruger won't let anyone win that argument.

[osiris]

I pulled up Native Access yesterday to get the Izotope EQ. They had an update for Massive (old version). I don't know what's been done. My biggest fear is they took away more features (like they did with batch convert). I'm loving Raum, but I ticked the Komplete Start free bundle because I wanted to check out the synths. They didn't download though. I think it's because I don't have Reaktor 6, but I have v5, so I need Reaktor 6 Player I guess. I don't see it anywhere.

[glokraw]

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... -6-player/

Hope it's behind the curtain! They want an email to provide dl links...but instead, you may get:


"2. INSTALL REAKTOR 6 PLAYER
Once you've completed the Native Access installation and logged into Native Access, go to the 'Not Installed' section, where you'll find REAKTOR 6 PLAYER, ready to be installed."

[MoodyB]

Do the current versions of Kontakt and Massive do GUI scaling?

I only have the player version of v7, but Kontakt supports different zoom levels in 25% steps from 50-200.

Massive is still lacking in this department.