Most-tolerated Genre?

[seafire]

Pop

[T-CM11]

I'm always in the mood for most of the music that I listen to.
Though... not always for (Industrial) Noise. (Think: Whitehouse, Merzbow - style)

[Aloysius]

The Wombles

[harryupbabble]

well, the genre i most listen to is classic rock
i don't like most of the singers' voice in that genre (or other genres too)
so for that reason, i tolerate the classic rock genre the most
i tolerate the singers in it

anyways, an example of tolerance...
although i don't like the way robert plant sings,
i tolerate the guy because he is actually a songwriter that i like
he creates the melodies and the lyrics for his band
that is the definition of songwriter?

but robert plant's melodies and lyrics are highly dependent
on jimmy page's music
jimmy page always created the music first
robert plant is reacting to what music jimmy page made
still, those melodies and lyrics are robert plant's own,
stairway to heaven, especially

paul mccartney can compose/play everything himself
chord progressions, riffs, lyrics, melodies, etc
he is not dependent on anyone in terms of songwriting
to me, he is even more admirable than robert plant

still, what robert plant did is no easy feat
to create "great" melodies and lyrics over someone
else's chord progression (or whatever) is really hard?
lots of people can't do it?
"great" is subjective of course

to have "hits" is even harder
just do it, if it's that easy
i mean i would, if it's easy
why wouldn't i, if i could?
i'm not allergic to the idea of making money off something i created
better than slaving 9 to 5 at something reluctantly?
i mean which is worse...
writing a hit song or being robert plant's towel boy?
i can only imagine the horror
of witnessing robert plant's pride and protrusion

[osiris]

My love is a leaf on the freeway

[harryupbabble]

just checked that...
isn't it "my love is in league with the freeway"?

[Introspective]

Gotta say I'm in camp Lenin (EDIT: D'oh! Lennon) and think McCartney just writes music for grannies.

...which... y'know. Is fine.

...for grannies.

But I prefer music with more... teeth.

[Frantz]

Gotta say I'm in camp Lenin

Marx and Lenin -- those lovable Communist mop tops.

[ghettosynth]

An old man's advice to the young:

Music style and preference has a lot to do with time/place/mood. There's music for driving, music for dancing, music for getting pumped up, music for relaxing/studying/focus, etc... What I listen to largely depends on what I'm doing, and where I'm doing it, and what mood I'm in.

100% and research supports this which is why I have to answer the question as broadly as I do. This is a hot research topic because music recommenders want to be able to play music that you want to hear, but, what you want to hear is highly context dependent. Extracting context from your listening habits is challenging. You can use things like time of day and GPS to extract likely activities, but you can only indirectly infer mood, e.g., from online communications, or from your choice to listen to music already associated with a particular mood.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 20-00717-x

Quantitative analysis is of only limited use here. If you analyzed my spotify listening you would come to the erroneous conclusion that I prefer drones over everything else. No doubt, I love drones, I make a lot of drone based music myself, but, it's my choice for sleeping music and I've put myself to sleep for decades listening to drone/ambient music. It helps me that it's playing if I wake up in the middle of the night, and it helps me wake up comfortably in the morning. But I don't listen to it for 8+ hours a day, even though spotify will tell you that I do. I literally wore out "Selected Ambient Works part II" and had to rebuy the album on CD because it was scratched from being played so much. It wasn't for me handling it, it was in my bedtime stereo for over two years, so, yes, I've listened to some parts of that album over 700 times. But, in fact, if I'm specifically trying to get stuff done, I can't listen to subdued ambient because it impacts my ability to focus.

There is strong research that studies this and what you prefer, and the breadth of your preferences, can be associated with your extroversion/introversion/openness/agreeableness/emotional intelligence/social status, and more.

https://vtechworks.lib.vt.edu/items/b0d ... b0aff7753f

It is hypothesized that age and social class are positively related to musical omnivorousness (liking a wide variety of music). That is, older people and people higher in social economic standing will be more omnivorousness in musical preferences.
...

Perhaps most interesting, however, is that the relationship between age and omnivorousness was determined to be a curvilinear relationship. No other analysts have reported this. Moreover, the findings present evidence that age may indeed be a more important determinant of musical omnivorousness than social class. Hence, it is concluded that no longer should musical preferences be examined simply as varying by social class but also as changing across the life cycle.

Before anyone gets their panties all in a wad, all of these studies have limitations in terms of sampling, latent variables, missing variables, aggregation of labels, etc. All studies have these kinds of limitations, but one's person opinion has all of these problems as well with little more of value.

As George Box said, in essence, "all models are wrong, some models are useful."

[BONES]

to have "hits" is even harder
just do it, if it's that easy
i mean i would, if it's easy
why wouldn't i, if i could?

I wouldn't because of the massive compromises it would involve. If Page and Plant were just starting out now, I doubt they would be able to manage it, either. It's such a fickle thing. Look at Stairway to Heaven - it didn't chart at all in the US or Australia and barely scraped into the Top 40 in the UK, yet it is probably their best known song.

I simply don't want to make the kind of music that would be popular with that section of the market. I'd definitely love to have another no. 1 on the German Alternative Chart, because that actually means something to us (although it definitely doesn't mean we'll make money). But I'd almost be embarrassed to have a song chart in the mainstream Top 40, simply because of the type of song it would have to be.

Gotta say I'm in camp Lenin (EDIT: D'oh! Lennon) and think McCartney just writes music for grannies.
But I prefer music with more... teeth.

You mean like Back in the USSR and Helter Skelter? Because they're both McCartney songs.

100% and research supports this which is why I have to answer the question as broadly as I do.

Why? Nobody is asking you to provide a meta-study, we only want your personal opinion, based upon your own experience.

[ghettosynth]

100% and research supports this which is why I have to answer the question as broadly as I do.

Why? Nobody is asking you to provide a meta-study, we only want your personal opinion, based upon your own experience.

A few citations is not a meta-study. Here's a guide, you might find it helpful.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/ob ... the-novice

Now, I can see how you might be confused by my statement, I'll clarify.

100% I agree with the previous poster that appreciation for multiple genres is context related which is why I had to answer the way I did. Moreover, significant research agrees with this. Further, I pointed out that omnivore/univore consumption is an active area of research. I then gave some examples and posted some of my thoughts and reflections of my own experience. I'm pretty sure that you're not speaking for everyone here, you're certainly not speaking for me. So, if you mean that you only want my personal opinion, I don't give a f**k what you want, I wasn't talking to you.

What you, specifically, should take from this, is that given that breadth of appreciation is widely studied, that you should be able to find some evidence to support your theory that those passionate about music must be univores. Good luck.

[Introspective]

Gotta say I'm in camp Lenin (EDIT: D'oh! Lennon) and think McCartney just writes music for grannies.
But I prefer music with more... teeth.

You mean like Back in the USSR and Helter Skelter? Because they're both McCartney songs.

I would have guessed they were, yes. For "rock" tropes they are rather tame. ...and repetitive. Not a fan of either track. (Sorry.) Point taken that they are not strictly Grannie Songs, but: exceptions prove the rule.

I should add: I don't hate McCartney. An excellent singer and very musical.

Just don't like his compositional style (95% of the time. There are ... exceptions.) It's a personal taste thing. I deeply respect the man.

[BONES]

One exception can prove a rule, multiple exceptions do the opposite. I'd further suggest the number of times Helter Skelter has been covered would suggest your attitude towards it is atypical. This is my favourite version -

100% I agree with the previous poster that appreciation for multiple genres is context related ...

That makes the absurd assumption that any particular genre is only able to complement or suit a limited range of emotions. If you can't find a Rock song or a jazz piece to suit whatever mood you're in, you're just not looking. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that a genre that can't suit whatever mood you're in is a pretty useless genre.

What you, specifically, should take from this, is that given that breadth of appreciation is widely studied, that you should be able to find some evidence to support your theory that those passionate about music must be univores. Good luck.

Except that's not what I have said. How that's not got through your thick skull after I've explained it three f**king times is beyond stupid.

[Introspective]

This wouldn't be the first time I held an unpopular opinion, which, I might add, is something you should be quite familiar with.

People like grannie songs. That's why he made them, I reckon.

But hey. Oobla dee.

[ghettosynth]

100% I agree with the previous poster that appreciation for multiple genres is context related ...

That makes the absurd assumption that any particular genre is only able to complement or suit a limited range of emotions. If you can't find a Rock song or a jazz piece to suit whatever mood you're in, you're just not looking. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that a genre that can't suit whatever mood you're in is a pretty useless genre.

Your assertion is without evidence; regardless, context dependent does not only mean emotional state. People prefer different music for different activities, e.g., driving, dancing, working, etc. If you'd even looked at the links that I provided, this should have been obvious.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not arguing with you. There's nothing to argue with. That's why I posted the links, you should read more.

What you, specifically, should take from this, is that given that breadth of appreciation is widely studied, that you should be able to find some evidence to support your theory that those passionate about music must be univores. Good luck.

Except that's not what I have said. How that's not got through your thick skull after I've explained it three f**king times is beyond stupid.

Sure you did, you said:

I find that people with a tolerance for a broad range of music are not normally people with any real passion for music.

I'll let you form the contrapositive, go on, I'll wait.