Tonocracy (Amp, Multi-FX, Profiler) is Now Free!

[CapnLockheed]

And fo f#ck's sake. If they've made it free the why are they still forcing users to install Pace iLok support. Free or not, that's a deal breaker for me. I won't have that Pace crap on my machines.

I didn't get asked for an iLok license or code at any point. I don't remember it trying to install the License Manager either, but then again, I already have it on my machine.

Well yeah, if you already had it installed it naturally wouldn't ask you to do it again.
I'm sure if you check your license manager it will show up now.

[CapnLockheed]

And fo f#ck's sake. If they've made it free the why are they still forcing users to install Pace iLok support. Free or not, that's a deal breaker for me. I won't have that Pace crap on my machines.

Got the same! installed fine but when ran it says not registered. No ilok, C/R or any of the many license managers on my computer.

Hrmn.....now that's intersting if it's if not actually registering with the license manager perhaps the iLok install request is just a vestigal holdover from when Tonacracy was a
paid product....and maybe if doesn't register with iLok License Manager that could possiblly be unistalled after the fact and Tonacracy might still run. I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the heads up Joe! BTW....how've you been buddy?

Cheers......CL

[Agreed]

Ok, compared some today, Tonocracy does good captures of the things I've tested so far. Haven't dug too deep into it, but I felt its capture quality was comparable to other machine learning captures I've done, of the couple of things I worked with today.

I'm really impressed with how good the calibration is. A+ feature, that. I haven't dug into the effects or the included models or anything like that, just messed with the capturing. My only concern is how online it all is - I'd celebrate some future update that gives the option to process the model locally with the user's GPU, but I think there are also plenty of users who will be glad they don't need a GPU to get captures pretty quickly. Very user friendly capture process, though. What a cool package for free. Anyone else feel like we're at the early part of some massive wave, here? This kind of tech is going nuts, I've really loved what I've worked with so far and it all feels like it's part of the early days.

[FrettedSynth]

Hrmn.....now that's intersting if it's if not actually registering with the license manager perhaps the iLok install request is just a vestigal holdover from when Tonacracy was a
paid product....and maybe if doesn't register with iLok License Manager that could possiblly be unistalled after the fact and Tonacracy might still run. I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the heads up Joe! BTW....how've you been buddy?

Cheers......CL

Let me know if it works? Although I moved to Linux a couple years ago the manager may install?
Doing well, thanks for asking just got old. Did get to spend about 12 years playing out again after the daughters grew up. Covid hit and haven't done crap since Damn, did build up a a nice Linux box to keep me playing The plugins were a life saver when I could not play out at least I was playing.

[Funk Dracula]

It's "free" but you need something with Pace ilok installed? There is zero mention of this on the site that I could find or was obvious.

I always test install "free shit" in a sandbox first to see what the "other shoe" is after installed or if there are obvious bugs, and this simply would not work at all in the sandbox because of forced Pace installations that failed. So completely unusable in the sandbox to test because Pace will not install, and this plug-in won't open/operate without that.

I've done my best to divorce myself from ilok over the last decade. There are just a few straggler Orchestral libraries I have to keep an ancient ilok v1 around to authorize and use. I f**king hate it. The v1 ilok is not supported anymore, and it won't sync with the ilok manager anymore either. How this v1 ilok still authorizes these few Orchestral libraries on a newer PC I built is a mystery to me.. I just plugged in the old ilok and it still works to open them, so I was like "just go with it and don't touch anything" hahaha.

I feel like if I mess around with installing any new Pace software that I am going to brick my ancient ilok v1 from working at all lmao.

The ilok is the worst thing ever. I drew a hard line in the sand over a decade ago to never buy or use any new software that uses the Pace system after a string of horrific incidents involving it. It pains me so much that I still have to use an ancient v1 and I'm dying on that hill to never have to purchase a v3 and deal with Pace ever again. Not that that the folks at Pace a terrible people, this is not a personal attack, it's just their system is the absolute worst and it's so nerve wrecking (if you've had an ilok go bad, you'll understand) and incredibly inconvenient.

[morelia]

I haven't had the pace issue. The captures by Amalgam et. al. are no free though. Comes up as a DEMO and inserts silence.

[Agreed]

From what I can tell, it's just the Amalgam captures that aren't free. Well, their sampler pack is free, the two other amps have demo limitations. The others though seem to be fully yours just by installing the software, not demos.

One of the beta testers whose amps are included in Tonocracy has released a ton of additional amps and the process of importing them is really easy. Check out his thread on TheGearPage for detailed info on using the software, plus good tips, and a ton of free great gear captures you can import: https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index ... n.2536260/

Here's a clip I made with a ToneSnap of my Klon KTR into one of that gent Slammin Mofo's amp captures, using Dr. Bonkers IRs and only effects from Tonocracy with no pre/post processing:
https://vocaroo.com/1dgIomV6oWno

[DCrown]

It’s maybe the worst guitar amp emulation I’ve ever tried.

What?!
This cannot be taken seriously.

When I read something like this, I am convinced (not for the first time) that kvraudio is the worst place to discuss guitar-related topics.

Ymbk
I read several times KVR is rather focused
on edm.
And here's always a product that is considered the worst by someone,
I don't get your drama?!
There's nothing worse than a thread
where a product is hyped just because
someone started hyping like on youtube where some channels delete every message that doesn't join the hype
whereby a non realistic rating or view is imparted

[Uncle E]

ToneX gives you a gain trim, but you can't level match the real and simulated gear simultaneously in the interface.

Are you not using the Capture hardware? I have everything level matched.

[Agreed]

No, I'm not, I'm using my own setup and just going by the level indicators in the ToneX software. Sometimes I can get the captures to be dead even in level, but more often that is not the case. I'd love for there to be a three step calibration process like this software has, just to make that way easier for me I would also appreciate both input and output gain trims for the capture evaluation page in ToneX, in the software itself. There's an input gain trim, but it can be difficult to get the two signals level matched without the output control. Tonocracy has some thoughtful user interface elements that I'm digging and to me they do make the process of capturing simpler. Though, I am very pleased with all my ToneX capture results. Been working to digitize my gear since picking it up in the BF special last year.

[MeanMrMustard]

PACE License Support = instant delete.

Didn't see any mention of Pace on their web site. If you're giving out free shit remove this Pace crap.

I'll stick with Tonex !!

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

No, I'm not, I'm using my own setup and just going by the level indicators in the ToneX software. Sometimes I can get the captures to be dead even in level, but more often that is not the case. I'd love for there to be a three step calibration process like this software has, just to make that way easier for me I would also appreciate both input and output gain trims for the capture evaluation page in ToneX, in the software itself. There's an input gain trim, but it can be difficult to get the two signals level matched without the output control. Tonocracy has some thoughtful user interface elements that I'm digging and to me they do make the process of capturing simpler. Though, I am very pleased with all my ToneX capture results. Been working to digitize my gear since picking it up in the BF special last year.

Yeah, I agree this is definitely something IK should look to improve on in the future. I've found if you've set levels correctly at each stage in the process, TONEX wants to capture the amp at near 0dbfs and wants input levels there also.

TONEX is really trying to capture the "drive level" of the amp in doing it that way. But real amps and don't have a fixed drive level because guitars are a major variable. In real life, if I've got an edge of breakup tone on my low output Strat, that will be full-on distortion tone with my SG or Les Paul. TONEX approaches that backwards in a sense, it's seemingly setup to say, "add or subtract gain to get the same edge of breakup gain level on all your guitars". I don't particularly love that appraoch. I do "Amp at 5, Amp at 6, etc." captures and I want them to behave differently with different guitars so I use a fixed gain level via a trim plugin first in the signal chain. This gets me more of an "amp capture" feel versus the "tone capture" approach TONEX seems to be designed for.

But it's the wild west out there. I really wish IK had much saner targets and a way to consistently set levels when doing the captures and on the input side like Tonocracy.

[Uncle E]

No, I'm not, I'm using my own setup and just going by the level indicators in the ToneX software. Sometimes I can get the captures to be dead even in level, but more often that is not the case. I'd love for there to be a three step calibration process like this software has, just to make that way easier for me I would also appreciate both input and output gain trims for the capture evaluation page in ToneX, in the software itself. There's an input gain trim, but it can be difficult to get the two signals level matched without the output control. Tonocracy has some thoughtful user interface elements that I'm digging and to me they do make the process of capturing simpler. Though, I am very pleased with all my ToneX capture results. Been working to digitize my gear since picking it up in the BF special last year.

That's cool about the extra features. I think I see what you mean, I had to go back-and-forth a few times to level match the first time I made a capture. However, it was only necessary the first time, everything is calibrated now.

The main issue I have with Tonex is that it can't create captures in batches. I want to be able to record different sounds from the amp all at once and then walk away while the software batch processes all of them. Do Tonocracy or NAM have that ability?

[Uncle E]

TONEX is really trying to capture the "drive level" of the amp in doing it that way. But real amps and don't have a fixed drive level because guitars are a major variable. In real life, if I've got an edge of breakup tone on my low output Strat, that will be full-on distortion tone with my SG or Les Paul. TONEX approaches that backwards in a sense, it's seemingly setup to say, "add or subtract gain to get the same edge of breakup gain level on all your guitars". I don't particularly love that appraoch. I do "Amp at 5, Amp at 6, etc." captures and I want them to behave differently with different guitars so I use a fixed gain level via a trim plugin first in the signal chain. This gets me more of an "amp capture" feel versus the "tone capture" approach TONEX seems to be designed for.

IME, the input gain responds like a real amp. When I feed it a lower level signal, it cleans up just like the real amp does. But the highest gain amp I've captured is a Mark I, I haven't done any metal amps and I could see it not working in those more extreme cases.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

The main issue I have with Tonex is that it can't create captures in batches. I want to be able to record different sounds from the amp all at once and then walk away while the software batch processes all of them. Do Tonocracy or NAM have that ability?

I believe this is coming to TONEX very soon. Then again...I thought that a few months ago.

I'm planning on doing some DI captures of my '79 Vibrolux Reverb and want to do some SM57 only captures too at the same time but I'm not going to invest the time and effort until the batch functionality is in place since I want to do a bunch.