Wave Alchemy - Triaz Native - No Kontakt -- Free for current owners!

[kraster]

Demoing and it's quite awesome.

I'll be the one person with this feature request / observation, but it's one of the only things I miss that keep me going back to using Drum Racks in Live:

Would love to see the ability to route drums to out individual channels + master - so you could glue the kit in Triaz, but essentially use vst effects per track.

Certainly not a deal breaker but would be nice to have - but not sure anyone has that feature.

It does have multiple outputs. Even the effects can be routed to dedicated outputs,

Thanks - no I see the multi-out (which is awesome) - what I'd love to see in a vst drum machine is the ability to have parallel multi-out and audio to it's internal master. Essentially just makes the mutli-out a send, so, for example, you could send the snare track to a return track that has a special vst reverb, etc., while still taking advantage of the drum machine's glue fx and master channel.

Ableton Live Drum Racks basically allows something close since you can add actual effects chains on returns - the only difference is that, because it's a true return, the effects end up back in the master channel, but it's not too much of a difference either way for most effects.

Anyway, it's more of an edge case for me - I do a lot of weird electronica / ambient where I may thow a piece of percussion into some glitchy delay, etc. but still want to glue the drums.

Of course, you can do this with Triaz by using the multi-outs and your own master channel, but I'd like the ability to use the built-ins also.

I think Drumazon and Nepheton allow for parallel outputs like you're suggesting.

I can definitely see the use of having it.

[db3]

Apparently, there's already a discount code available for Triaz Native for 10% off the £79 price and includes a free sample pack (https://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/product/chords-stabs/) at least being given out by one YT creator.

Code: TRIAZLAUNCH

I really like Triaz Native and think the £79 launch price is fair, but it's pretty annoying that this same offer wasn't given to existing Wave Alchemy customers (own several products myself) or those who bought on launch day. We're what, only two days out from launch and a further discount and freebie is already available? Doesn't seem right.

That is annoying

[enCiphered]

I really like Triaz Native and think the £79 launch price is fair, but it's pretty annoying that this same offer wasn't given to existing Wave Alchemy customers (own several products myself) or those who bought on launch day. We're what, only two days out from launch and a further discount and freebie is already available? Doesn't seem right.

Oh wow, that's definitely a great way to alienate your customers and early supporters!

[SLiC]

Apparently, there's already a discount code available for Triaz Native for 10% off the £79 price and includes a free sample pack (https://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/product/chords-stabs/) at least being given out by one YT creator.

Code: TRIAZLAUNCH

I really like Triaz Native and think the £79 launch price is fair, but it's pretty annoying that this same offer wasn't given to existing Wave Alchemy customers (own several products myself) or those who bought on launch day. We're what, only two days out from launch and a further discount and freebie is already available? Doesn't seem right.

That is annoying

Yeh, wish I had waited a few days now...strange to see a discount on the 'launch price' so soon...

They have a 7 day no question asked return policy, so you could return it and then buy it again with this deal!

''If you are unhappy for any reason after purchasing, installing, registering, and using our Virtual Instruments, Plugins or Software, we will issue a full refund within 7 days of your purchase. ''

[joshuaveldman]

First of all, that's often the case for early adopters.

Secondly, I've found them to be really good about dealing with this stuff, so unless you have just come on here to complain, I'd recommend that the best thing is to contact them and see if they can do something for you sample pack wise.

Castigating a company for running promotions through different avenues doesn't make sense.

If Sweetwater offers an SSL comp for cheap and it's only them and you buy it from someone else, are you going she complaining to that other person?

Not trying to get anyone upset here but let's just keep things in perspective and maybe try talking to the company first.

[SLiC]

First of all, that's often the case for early adopters.

Not sure we count as early adopters when the better deal is the next day

Anyway, it is what it is...at least I didn't have to watch a YT 'influencer' so maybe that's worth the extra cost.

[Zoopy]

Can someone help me answer this question I've had for years?

Lots of sequencers tend to have a 1/12 timing feature, I've never been able to get this to sync properly to a metronome in the DAW or other synths. This doesn't surprise me because I am pretty dumb but I've tried ALL SORTS OF THINGS, 12 steps, 3/4, 6/8 12/1459 etc I've googled, I've read stuff, I've watched videos. It's a hard thing to research, I love how the 1/12 rate sounds in Triaz but is this just like..if I wanted to program triplets for a second? I've read that triplets don't really follow a specific time signature but the beat definitely loops just fine in 1/12 mode.

okay thanks bye

[vitocorleone123]

First of all, that's often the case for early adopters.

Not sure we count as early adopters when the better deal is the next day

Anyway, it is what it is...at least I didn't have to watch a YT 'influencer' so maybe that's worth the extra cost.

Companies (esp smaller) seem to do this these days - they release because people are clamoring for it and then people get angry because they didn't get a deal that came out later because things are still in motion for the release.

Patience can be a virtue when it comes to purchasing plugins.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

I jumped in. Got the 10% off btw, now I feel bad. But couldn't buy in dollars only £-BP?

I feel like this has the most potential to match OG Geist but its not quite there yet. XO and Atlas weren't for me, Tal Drum is nice but limited, I haven't tried Beat Scholar yet - but this has a shot IMO to be up their with the GOAT.

Will we get slicing? Would be cool.

Would very much like to be able to drive the filter and maybe some more filter types as in "Japan", "Ladder" etc.

Sequencer needs the intelligent randomize for sure but I'm hoping they continue to innovate too.

Library is great as are the effects. Good Job WA. Keep it up. Looking forward to revolution native.

[SLiC]

First of all, that's often the case for early adopters.

Not sure we count as early adopters when the better deal is the next day

Anyway, it is what it is...at least I didn't have to watch a YT 'influencer' so maybe that's worth the extra cost.

Companies (esp smaller) seem to do this these days - they release because people are clamoring for it and then people get angry because they didn't get a deal that came out later because things are still in motion for the release.

Patience can be a virtue when it comes to purchasing plugins.

All true, but offers could have been to their existing customers with accounts (I have a lot of their products) rather than having to be subscribed to a 'YouTube Influencers' to see the deal...just my opinion.

[sl1200mk2]

First of all, that's often the case for early adopters.

After weeks or months? Sure, absolutely. If a product isn't selling well, throw out a better deal. Things go on sale all the time. Zero problem with that and I fully expect there will be an as good if not better deal during all of the usual holiday sales. But already giving a better deal in less than 72 hours after launch? To anyone? Come on, that's a bit much.

The right way to handle this would have been to give the same promo/offer to existing WA customers who weren't already Triaz owners (since they already get the free upgrade) in the email blast that went out on launch day.

Secondly, I've found them to be really good about dealing with this stuff, so unless you have just come on here to complain, I'd recommend that the best thing is to contact them and see if they can do something for you sample pack wise.

I agree, they genuinely seem to be a good company willing to do the right thing. I've already reached out, so we'll see what happens. I don't think there was any evil intent here, rather I think it's something not well thought out. These things happen, especially during a busy launch, so I'm willing to give them benefit of the doubt.

Castigating a company for running promotions through different avenues doesn't make sense.

It absolutely does if it's handled poorly. Again, it's about timing and context. $8 and a free sample pack isn't going to change my life, but that's not the point.

[wave alchemy]

Hello, I'm hoping somebody can help. I purchased Triaz back in Jan 2022 through Plugin Boutique. I've just discovered this evening about the VST3 Native version for free so downloaded the demo software but when I get to input the serial number the expected format is 4 sets of 4 characters but the serial number from my Kontact version is 5 sets of 5 so I get "The serial you've entered is not valid". I have created an account on Wave Alchemy but there's nowhere in there to register a product against my account. Any help greatly appreciated before I try Wave Alchemy's support.

I really liked Triaz a lot but found using it within Kontakt to be frustrating (above average frustrating as I use Reason). Rather excited by the prospect of future expansion packs although it seems the core library is bigger than the original core library in the Kontakt version I originally purchased.

Hi,

Thanks for your message.

The new version of Triaz is not related to Kontakt in any way. You can't use your Native Access / Kontakt serial to activate the native version of Triaz. Triaz has its own, unique serial system.

Since you own Triaz Kontakt, the new native version is free for you. You purchased the Kontakt version via Plugin Boutique, and Triaz will go live on Plugin Boutique sometime this coming week. So you can either wait until then to get your free copy, or email us via our website now and we can arrange the free version for you

[audio/fault]

so, i downloaded the demo and really like it so far, hope to have it as a substitute to maschine, controlled by the maschine mikro controller. works quite well so far, but I couldn’t find a quantize option. only quantize while recording and quantizing individual steps in the start-tab. is there really no quantize all and per instrument? couldn‘t find anything in the manual. thx!

[wave alchemy]

I jumped in. Got the 10% off btw, now I feel bad. But couldn't buy in dollars only £-BP?

I feel like this has the most potential to match OG Geist but its not quite there yet. XO and Atlas weren't for me, Tal Drum is nice but limited, I haven't tried Beat Scholar yet - but this has a shot IMO to be up their with the GOAT.

Will we get slicing? Would be cool.

Would very much like to be able to drive the filter and maybe some more filter types as in "Japan", "Ladder" etc.

Sequencer needs the intelligent randomize for sure but I'm hoping they continue to innovate too.

Library is great as are the effects. Good Job WA. Keep it up. Looking forward to revolution native.

Thanks for purchasing Triaz, and thanks for your feedback

Feel free to let us know what you feel we are missing to take this 'GOAT' territory

We can't make any promises for all feature requests, but we would love to listen to your feedback and consider feasible and valid requests. We certainly plan to add new stuff and refine things within reason, whilst also thinking of the wider audience who is using this plugin. I.e we also need to be very careful not to over-bloat Triaz with too much stuff - since doing so has the possibility of having a negative effect. We could theoretically add everything under the sun to Triaz, but then we'd have one very overly complex / non intuitive plugin that is overkill for the vast majority of users. Sometimes too many options kills creativity and fun, and we want to find the right balance here.

We already discussed the smart random sequencer / lane stuff in a previous post, and we aim to allow folder linking and other improvements for bulk sample import.

We also want to tweak some other areas of the sequencer such as being able to use a hot key / function to draw in steps at a fixed velocity when required (although you can technically do this already when turning down the 'velocity' knob on the sound page for the drums - they will then play back at 127 velocity no matter what you draw in).

Lock kit whilst changing presets is another one I think is valid.

We have other plans too, for example I'd like to at some point add more DSP options such as another compressor mode, some different effects, filter styles etc.

We've also had several people via email ask if it is possible to save / load drum channels. I don't see any question about that here, but in case anyone had the same thoughts, yes, you can load / save / copy / paste entire channels, including sample selection using the 3-dot menu at the bottom of each mixer channel. You can find retrigger time there too, and also an option to paste channels with or without sequencer data

[iowastate89]

Thanks WA for the free upgrade; now I will buy one of your other sample/effect libraries as a goodwill gesture to your generous policy