Stereo Chorus effect by modulating delay time
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- KVRian
- 1078 posts since 24 Apr, 2008 from USA
Are there any chorus effects plug-ins that achieve chorus effect by modulating the delay time of the input signal, like the “stereo chorus” effect in Korg’s “Workstation” synths ?
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- KVRian
- 1424 posts since 15 Nov, 2005 from Italy
Any chorus effect is made by modulating a small delayed version of the input signal, mixed together. Btw, we just released one 
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- KVRAF
- 2069 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland
AFAIK by modulating the delay time the effect = Modulation Delay. AFAIK by modulating the pitch of fix delay time pitch shift is involved = Chorus/Vibrato effect. Right or wrong?
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- KVRist
- 174 posts since 5 Mar, 2021
Not quite right.
All chorus and flanger effects use a very short delay. Those delays are modulated by LFOs, which produces pitch fluctuations in the delayed signal (vibrato, essentially). Mix with the dry signal, and you get chorus.
Use even shorter delay times, and usually some feedback, and you get flanger.
All chorus and flanger effects use a very short delay. Those delays are modulated by LFOs, which produces pitch fluctuations in the delayed signal (vibrato, essentially). Mix with the dry signal, and you get chorus.
Use even shorter delay times, and usually some feedback, and you get flanger.
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- KVRAF
- 12489 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Adding to what MTorn said, ...use longer delay times and you get modulated delays. You basically get 4 FX with modulated delays:
1. Flanger: very short modulated delay times (<5ms), usually some feedback, dry signal blended
2. Chorus: still short (5ms-30ms) modulated delay times, no feedback - dry signal blended
3. Vibrato: basically the same as chorus, but fully wet (no dry signal - so you just get the wobbly part of the sound)
4. Modulated delays: longer delay times, also modulated, usually with feedback
...they're all variations on the same effect. An analog-style delay effect that goes down to zero (or very close to) with an LFO should be able to do all of those 4 FX.
1. Flanger: very short modulated delay times (<5ms), usually some feedback, dry signal blended
2. Chorus: still short (5ms-30ms) modulated delay times, no feedback - dry signal blended
3. Vibrato: basically the same as chorus, but fully wet (no dry signal - so you just get the wobbly part of the sound)
4. Modulated delays: longer delay times, also modulated, usually with feedback
...they're all variations on the same effect. An analog-style delay effect that goes down to zero (or very close to) with an LFO should be able to do all of those 4 FX.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1078 posts since 24 Apr, 2008 from USA
This is how this stereo chorus effect is explained in Korg manuals. ( I like it best with triangle LFO )
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- KVRAF
- 18467 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I’d pretty much say that there are no stereo chorus effects that don’t work this way.TS-12 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:16 am Are there any chorus effects plug-ins that achieve chorus effect by modulating the delay time of the input signal, like the “stereo chorus” effect in Korg’s “Workstation” synths ?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1078 posts since 24 Apr, 2008 from USA
zerocrossing wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:04 pmTS-12 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:16 am Are there any chorus effects plug-ins that achieve chorus effect by modulating the delay time of the input signal, like the “stereo chorus” effect in Korg’s “Workstation” synths ?
I’d pretty much say that there are no stereo chorus effects that don’t work this way.
Well I've yet to find one that sounds like Korg's stereo chorus. So there is something different
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- KVRAF
- 2069 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland
As you might know there is Korg MDE-X V2 effects suite with demo available.
https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/kc_mde_x/
Native ARM/Apple Silicon support seems to be maintained b/c part of the Korg Collection 2 which says so.
Available individually for $49.99 regular price.
https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/kc_mde_x/
Native ARM/Apple Silicon support seems to be maintained b/c part of the Korg Collection 2 which says so.
Available individually for $49.99 regular price.
- KVRAF
- 18467 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I can’t say how it’s implemented, but maybe try this.TS-12 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:13 pmzerocrossing wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:04 pmTS-12 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:16 am Are there any chorus effects plug-ins that achieve chorus effect by modulating the delay time of the input signal, like the “stereo chorus” effect in Korg’s “Workstation” synths ?
I’d pretty much say that there are no stereo chorus effects that don’t work this way.
Well I've yet to find one that sounds like Korg's stereo chorus. So there is something different
https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/kc_mde_x/
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- KVRAF
- 3369 posts since 16 Jan, 2005 from Ottawa, Ontario
Get yourself a free spectrogram plugin... and you'll see why.TS-12 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:13 pmzerocrossing wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:04 pmTS-12 wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:16 am Are there any chorus effects plug-ins that achieve chorus effect by modulating the delay time of the input signal, like the “stereo chorus” effect in Korg’s “Workstation” synths ?
I’d pretty much say that there are no stereo chorus effects that don’t work this way.
Well I've yet to find one that sounds like Korg's stereo chorus. So there is something different
One of these : https://www.audiopluginsforfree.com/tb-spectrogram/
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- KVRAF
- 2069 posts since 8 Feb, 2013 from Switzerland
Korg MDE-X V2 effects on sale for $24.99 until March 1st, 2024.Etienne1973 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:45 pm As you might know there is Korg MDE-X V2 effects suite with demo available.
https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/kc_mde_x/
Native ARM/Apple Silicon support seems to be maintained b/c part of the Korg Collection 2 which says so.
Available individually for $49.99 regular price.
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... 1202-MDE-X
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1078 posts since 24 Apr, 2008 from USA
I have entire Korg collection. MDE-X doesn't have that chorus unfortunately. Korg triton vst and triton extreme vst do, but they can't be used as effects processorsEtienne1973 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:33 amKorg MDE-X V2 effects on sale for $24.99 until March 1st, 2024.Etienne1973 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:45 pm As you might know there is Korg MDE-X V2 effects suite with demo available.
https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/kc_mde_x/
Native ARM/Apple Silicon support seems to be maintained b/c part of the Korg Collection 2 which says so.
Available individually for $49.99 regular price.
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... 1202-MDE-X
Main Computer Specs: MacBook M1 Max, 32GB, 4TB, Cubase 13.
- KVRAF
- 18467 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Have you looked at a sine wave under an oscilloscope to see what it’s doing?TS-12 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:22 pmI have entire Korg collection. MDE-X doesn't have that chorus unfortunately. Korg triton vst and triton extreme vst do, but they can't be used as effects processorsEtienne1973 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:33 amKorg MDE-X V2 effects on sale for $24.99 until March 1st, 2024.Etienne1973 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:45 pm As you might know there is Korg MDE-X V2 effects suite with demo available.
https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/kc_mde_x/
Native ARM/Apple Silicon support seems to be maintained b/c part of the Korg Collection 2 which says so.
Available individually for $49.99 regular price.
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... 1202-MDE-X
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1078 posts since 24 Apr, 2008 from USA
Not yet, I will do it soonzerocrossing wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:29 pmHave you looked at a sine wave under an oscilloscope to see what it’s doing?TS-12 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 2:22 pmI have entire Korg collection. MDE-X doesn't have that chorus unfortunately. Korg triton vst and triton extreme vst do, but they can't be used as effects processorsEtienne1973 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:33 amKorg MDE-X V2 effects on sale for $24.99 until March 1st, 2024.Etienne1973 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2024 3:45 pm As you might know there is Korg MDE-X V2 effects suite with demo available.
https://www.korg.com/us/products/software/kc_mde_x/
Native ARM/Apple Silicon support seems to be maintained b/c part of the Korg Collection 2 which says so.
Available individually for $49.99 regular price.
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... 1202-MDE-X
Main Computer Specs: MacBook M1 Max, 32GB, 4TB, Cubase 13.
