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Studio One 6 should have had Ableton Link
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jrwaltb wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:05 pm "5. browser sucks - logic browser is barely better though granted. (option up and option left in s1 in browser are huge to know for cleaning clutter with a lot of folders open, have to have browser selected) "

Studio One has the best browser of any DAW, I listen to all my music and stream Soundcloud from the Studio One Browser. Listen bus plugins, midi file play using vst's, fast, delete and rename. I will agree the open folder issue sucks, I need to create a ticket for that so thanks for reminding me.
But what I really miss in S1´s browser is a waveform preview instead of this silly slider...

There are many many samples out side like vocal stems which have a lot of silence in between the sound and it´s hard to find the sound passages in a blindflight...

A second thing is a keyboard shortcut to quickly retrigger samples even if they haven´t finished... very handy to get a feeling how samples sound when being repeated like the case with drum sounds...

A little bit confusing I find to having first to doubleclick a sample to start preview but than just single click...

Last but not least I would like to have the ability to give plugins aliases instead of having to "hack" the "plugins-en.settings" file (while I appreciate there is at least this method!)...

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I left because I dont like DAW's that dont have direct contact with the Devs. IL FL Studio is great because the DEVs are really responsive, and regardless if your idea sucks or its great, they usually give it a fair shake and they usually respond.

Im not a fan of voting systems, and as far as I know, thats how PS S1 is set up on their forum. Really, I think only Image Line has robust communication with users. Other DAW companies arent too keen on that.

Also, the Qwerty keyboard in most daws suck in that it requires a pop up window. Cant stand that. Ableton, Luna, Fl Studio, Bitwig....they dont have pop up windows.

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Dog! Imagine having to put up with all those f**king dickheads complaining about shit like this in your day job. IL must have a lot of trouble retaining stuff, I reckon. I am much happier with a company that knows where it's going with its products and pays minimal attention to shit like this thread.
J Veronica wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:56 amI'm seeing more content walled off behind the subscription model, unless I want to pay for extras that other DAWs include by default.
Like what? And for every feature you can name, I bet I can name a feature in S1 that no other DAW has. That's what makes them different to each other.
Updates don't add things I want
This may come as a shock to you but you're not their only customer. To me, Studio One feels like it needs very little added. It's far closer to perfect for my needs than any other DAW out there. If all they do is make it more stable with each release, and it is more stable now than it was when I started using it three or so years ago, then I'll happily keep paying for upgrades.
and the aggressive push to subscription leaves me feeling cold about the whole ecosystem. Prices are going up for a lesser experience IMO.
What "aggressive push"? I've never felt the slightest bit of effort from Presonus to try and push me to subscription. If anything, it's Sphere that has nothing that interests me. In fact, given that I can't get MMC to work with my KeyStep, everything I need is in Artist and it's an absolute f**king bargain.

That last is the kind of thing I'd like to see Presonus concentrate on - fixing things that should work but don't. Another would be the way the application handles missing plugins when it loads a song. Sometimes it can't find a plugin that is actually there, so it loads nothing. That means I have to add the plugin manually but I lose the patch info for the song, which can be a huge PITA. In Orion, if it couldn't find something, it allowed you to find it manually, so problems like this didn't arise.

Another one is that when you load a project created on one computer into another, some instruments - notably DS_Thorn and Union - load the default patch instead of the one it should be using. That's also a huge PITA. Until they fix stupid shit like this, I wouldn't care if they didn't add a single new feature.
qtheerearranger wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 2:11 pm 3. the damn channel / instrument solo weirdness with instrument tracks. maybe there is a macro to have it be a single button to solo an instrument track but my gosh.
What? There are big buttons on every mixer track marked "M" and "S". There are smaller version s of them on the track in the Arrangement window and there are a couple of other ways of muting an instrument. Any one of these measures works all on it's own. Or, if that's too much hassle, you can always just press the "m" or "S" buttons on your keyboard to mute/solo the currently selected track (instrument or otherwise.
5. browser sucks
People keep saying this but nobody says why. I find the browser to be absolutely brilliant and I cannot imagine how it could be made better.
7. logic has granular sampler now
I think I now have four, maybe five, plugins to do that, I don't need my host application to do it natively.
9. logics step sequencer is better
Does Studio One have a step sequencer? I had no idea, nor do I understand what you'd use it for when there's a piano roll.
all of this being said, i keep my s1 subscription
That would be because, from what you've said, it clearly does a lot of things better than Logic. It sounds to me like you want Presonus to build you your own perfect, personal DAW. Well, guess what? You're not their only customer and none of the things you've mentioned are things I want them to waste their dev time on. In fact, I'd like to see them ditch Mac development altogether to free up resources to make the Windows version better.
Trancit wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:07 amBut what I really miss in S1´s browser is a waveform preview instead of this silly slider...
But for the kind of files you're talking about, one vocal take would look exactly like another at the scale the browser could offer. It would be equally, if not more useless. I've been in the habit of renaming my takes as I go for decades so I don't have to waste time trying to work out what is what at all - there is no substitute for being organised.
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The interface has really deteriorated over time, each version it's gotten progressively worse...

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I preferred the workflow and features of Bitwig for electronic music.

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Wrong thread sry delete
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BONES wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:13 pm
Trancit wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:07 amBut what I really miss in S1´s browser is a waveform preview instead of this silly slider...
But for the kind of files you're talking about, one vocal take would look exactly like another at the scale the browser could offer. It would be equally, if not more useless. I've been in the habit of renaming my takes as I go for decades so I don't have to waste time trying to work out what is what at all - there is no substitute for being organised.
You don´t understand what I mean...

There are many sample packs out there with some construction kits where they offer stems in the length of the whole kit example even if they contain mostly silence...

And I think no one can argue against being able to spot the actual sound passages in such samples easier with a browser preview like this:
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or this:
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than in S1:
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In S1 you either have to listen half a minute of silence to find the parts where sound is happening or you have to import it into the arrangement...

There is a reason why most of the browsers in other DAW´s have a clickable waveform preview (where you can jump to the wished time spots) ...
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That's a very specific use-case that I doubt would justify the development effort. Unless you already knew what the structure of such files were, it still wouldn't help, and if you already knew what the files were, you probably wouldn't need it, either. So the use case becomes that tiny slice of time between you having no idea what any of them are and knowing them well enough to pick them by name. As there is no cost involved in dragging the file into the arrangement to see what's in it, I don't see the point of a feature like this. The fact that other applications might have it isn't, on its own, a good reason for Studio One to have it.
daExpert wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:09 pmThe interface has really deteriorated over time, each version it's gotten progressively worse...
It looks pretty much the same to me. I fiddled around with customising it when I first got v6 but discovered that it just made it harder to find things I had previously known the positions of, so I went back to using it stock standard. I really like the GUI, it was a big part of what made me start using it.
Vladislav_Gronk wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:03 amI preferred the workflow and features of Bitwig for electronic music.
For your particular style of electronic music, perhaps, but it was mostly f**king awful for mine. I got more done in my first week of Cubase than I had managed in 3 or 4 months with Bitwig. To be fair, the time I had spent with Bitwig undoubtedly made it easier to transition to Cubase but I never felt comfortable working in Bitwig at all. From Cubase, Studio One just felt like a cleaned up version of that application and had almost no learning curve at all.
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Studio One is really designed with recording your own tracks in mind. I think its overarching purpose is for studio recording, not arranging sample kits. There are other DAWs that were designed primarily for doing the latter. It's better for everyone if you use the tools that were designed to fit your needs, rather than to try to force change on ones that were designed for someone else's needs.
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Or you can just trim that pesky silence off the beginning of your loops. ;)
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? :(

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Earlier today I shut down S1 and played some minecraft. Have not played for over a month. Big mistake. Good to get away from the music for a minute here and there. But then I booted S1 back up again a bit later, and pilfered thru more Virus sounds. I'm not sure it that's what you were wanting but there it is.

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Yeah, with our album out and the gigs we'd organise out of the way, I find myself in the weird position of not having anything that needs to be done. It feels so strange to be able to sit and watch TV at night and not feel guilty that there is other stuff I should be doing.
jamcat wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:24 pm Studio One is really designed with recording your own tracks in mind. I think its overarching purpose is for studio recording, not arranging sample kits. There are other DAWs that were designed primarily for doing the latter. It's better for everyone if you use the tools that were designed to fit your needs, rather than to try to force change on ones that were designed for someone else's needs.
THIS x 1000! Find the application that works for you, don't try and make the one you've got do shit it's not designed for. That's why I ditched Bitwig - it was clearly not designed for the way I work or all the things I needed it to do well, so I found something else that was. Every DAW will inevitably involve some compromise, you just have to find the one you can best live with.
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Studio One ever get the ability to tag user samples yet ? ☠️🤡
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BONES wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:47 pm That's a very specific use-case that I doubt would justify the development effort. Unless you already knew what the structure of such files were, it still wouldn't help, and if you already knew what the files were, you probably wouldn't need it, either. So the use case becomes that tiny slice of time between you having no idea what any of them are and knowing them well enough to pick them by name. As there is no cost involved in dragging the file into the arrangement to see what's in it, I don't see the point of a feature like this. ...
That´s a valid point of view... nonetheless of this example I mentioned, I personally feel more at home in general in browsers which do offer some waveform preview...
It´s for me not the end of the world but a Qol feature which makes my user experience better...
The more senses are being triggered the better...
The fact that other applications might have it isn't, on its own, a good reason for Studio One to have it.
Here our thoughts drift apart...

If most of the other took the time to put developement resources into this (while I cannot imagine it would be such hard to do) there is often a good reason for...
I mean the others aren´t silly either...
They want to please potential customers and their user base as well...
If everybody got it, just me not... is for me more a sign I could have overlooked/underrated something!

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