Pulsar Modular P450/P455 MDN Plugin Bundle

[eecrumjr77]

That is indeed true. But that also applies to absolutely everybody who has purchased a product. There is literally no difference, right? Both parties will be subjective no matter what. Heck, I can't think of any scenario where somebody would be objective.

Same goes for people hating something for either some political reason or other reason. Those aren't objective either.

As always, there is no such thing as objectivity when it comes to subjective things like audio. This is why audio examples and concrete demonstrations are valuable.. and of course if possible, 100% uncrippled demos.

Sure, but in the context of a new product release I find it worth being aware of, since there's the push to buy buy buy...

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

EDIT: Note that I am NOT here on these forums as some sort of reviewer. I'm here for the reason I've always been, from the very beginning, to discuss the tools and the trade of my favorite hobby (which just happened to turn into a career over the decades), to bitch and moan about GAS like everybody else. Everything I've ever written should be taken exactly as it is, my own opinion. I never say anything scripted by anybody else. If I ever do you can be assured my account has been hacked.

Like it or not brother, you are an influencer now. I know, I know but it is what it is.

Lets do the All Time Audio Forum Celebrity list:

1st Evildragon
2nd bmanic
3rd Bones
4th Bob Katz
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Last... Jamcat (JK)

[bmanic]

Sure, but in the context of a new product release I find it worth being aware of, since there's the push to buy buy buy...

I can understand the sentiment but it doesn't fall upon others to manage the well being of your wallet. You are ultimately the one responsible for your own spending.

[jens]

And really, the only part people TRULY have an issue with is his pricing.

Nope, what irks me personally far more - and I assume I am not alone with that - is that the developer basically claims to be superior to every other developer out there... or, he most probably rather wants to make everyone - including himself - believe that. A truly self-confident developer doesn't call his products "Masterpieces" on his website (and without the slightest hint of self-mockery). That's just so.... bizarre.

Hmm.. I ditched reading the GS thread back in the P47 saturator days as it got so toxic. But what I did read was quite obviously a guy trying to defend his position on the pricing and that included his belief that he is extremely skilled in what he is doing and obviously very passionate about it all. I have no idea if that's true or not nor do I really care but the whole drama over at GS started with the very high prices. So if I've missed some messianic rants of supreme superiority from the dude over the years then I am the one being ignorant here, sorry about that. However be as it may, the bottom line is still the audio output of the plugin in question and in my opinion, to my ears, it is very good and more importantly, unique in it's sonic fingerprint.

Pulsar Modular delivers audio plugins exceeding analog audio hardware sound and workflow.The sound is unbelievable!

(Pulsar Audio about Pulsar Audio)

Not entirely different from some other companies self-indulgence.

Yeah, probably not...

The only plugin I ever tried from them was Lunar Lander - and let's put it like this: I was convinced that the developer was describing a wholy different plugin than the one I was testing ... and from back then on, i must admit I never gave him a second chance...
but some of the other stuff I read from the developer afterwards.... I dunno - it seems to me almost like the less he gets the praise and worship he seems to feel he deserves, the more pompous his own claims regarding the superiority of his plugins get.

But some sing that song with him indeed, and sorry to say so, but I am rather convinced that it's not the products themselves that cause this...
if I stand long enough on some market square while shouting loudly enough that I shall be king of the world, after a while I'll almost inadvertedly have some followers who are willing to defend my honour by any means neccessary.

[bmanic]

if I stand long enough on some market square while shouting loudly enough that I shall be king of the world, after a while I'll almost inadvertedly have some followers who are willing to defend my honour by any means neccessary.

It's why I absolutely despise echo chambers and why I'm always kicked out of them rather quickly (or incentivized to leave by being bullied out). I'm extremely allergic to any kind of censorship, even if a discussion gets nasty. I'm a firm believer that whatever underlying "truth" is in a discussion, it will eventually be unearthed.

This is one of the reasons I'm taking a looooong hiatus from Gearspace. If things can not be discussed, even if it gets a bit uncomfortable, I see no more value for the forum. It's why I like KvR so much. We have a bunch of misfits here that sort of get along (in the long run) but sometimes gets really heated in debate and discourse. I absolutely love that!

As for people following their self-appointed "king", that is unfortunate indeed but it is a human trait and as far as I know there is no cure other than self-reflection and education. As long as the person up on top doesn't abuse and take advantage of the followers, then it's all good in my view.

.. so go forth and shout on the market square! Gather followers and change the world jens!

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

This is one of the reasons I'm taking a looooong hiatus from Gearspace.

Is this mostly because they won't allow Plugin Dr in new product? Just curious.

[bmanic]

This is one of the reasons I'm taking a looooong hiatus from Gearspace.

Is this mostly because they won't allow Plugin Dr in new product? Just curious.

Huh? I didn't know that. That's rather hilarious if true.

No. I left because the power tripping of the moderators. If they ban me (was a one week ban) for defending myself against blatant lies from a known troll (I have a few stalkers, both there and here) then so be it. It wasn't the first time either. Heck I once got banned for simply reporting the troll.. then quietly the trolls posts with purely ad-hominem attacks and lies were removed.

Acustica Audio got me banned twice, about 5, 6 or 7 years ago for being extremely critical of their buggy release (which ironically was when I was still beta testing for them and had reported the bugs in good time!!). So yeah, GS has shown it's colors over the years and where they stand when it comes to speaking your mind. I'm not malicious, at least not on purpose. And when I do step over the line and somebody points that out, I have absolutely no problems admitting my fault and apologizing (as can be seen if you go through my post history there).

No the real reason is that GS has become a bit echo-chamber like lately which means I don't fit in no more. We'll see how it is in a few years. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has quietly just moved on (in fact, I know that I ain't the only one).

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Pulsar Modular delivers audio plugins exceeding analog audio hardware sound and workflow.The sound is unbelievable!

(Pulsar Audio about Pulsar Audio)

Wrong company. Pulsar Audio are innocent bystanders in all of this.

(Pulsar Modular about Pulsar Modular)

FTFY

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

This is one of the reasons I'm taking a looooong hiatus from Gearspace.

Is this mostly because they won't allow Plugin Dr in new product? Just curious.

Huh? I didn't know that. That's rather hilarious if true.

Oh, it's true! Bullet 5.

https://gearspace.com/board/new-product ... lines.html

Gearspace is incredibly advertiser friendly. To it's detriment IMO. On the other hand, I do frequently appreciate their moderators doing thread clean up. Bitch fests are fun for the participants.

[bmanic]

This is one of the reasons I'm taking a looooong hiatus from Gearspace.

Is this mostly because they won't allow Plugin Dr in new product? Just curious.

Huh? I didn't know that. That's rather hilarious if true.

Oh, it's true! Bullet 5.

https://gearspace.com/board/new-product ... lines.html

Gearspace is incredibly advertiser friendly. To it's detriment IMO. On the other hand, I do frequently appreciate their moderators doing thread clean up. Bitch fests are fun for the participants.

Ah I see. Well I can understand the compromise but I think it was really nice to quickly see what people discovered right there under the product itself. Not sure why PD gets such a bad rap. It's really useful in many ways. Tons of developers use it now too!

The mods removing unnecessary bitching and moaning is both a pro and a con. If you just want to read a bunch of "this is awesome!" "..not for me" and no actual discourse with passion, then it's fine.. but then it can become quite diluted. It's the precursor to becoming an echo chamber.

For instance, some of the facebook groups like Steven Slates group used to be really interesting places, until they started "cleaning up" heated debates. Now it's just a shadow of it's former self. This will also happen to GS if it's not carefully navigated.

Anyhow, the irony is that I've veered this thread way off topic here. That is my fault and I apologize! Will compensate with some more audio examples shortly!

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

This is one of the reasons I'm taking a looooong hiatus from Gearspace.

Is this mostly because they won't allow Plugin Dr in new product? Just curious.

Huh? I didn't know that. That's rather hilarious if true.

No. I left because the power tripping of the moderators. If they ban me (was a one week ban) for defending myself against blatant lies from a known troll (I have a few stalkers, both there and here) then so be it. It wasn't the first time either. Heck I once got banned for simply reporting the troll.. then quietly the trolls posts with purely ad-hominem attacks and lies were removed.

GS is weird.

Acustica Audio got me banned twice, about 5 years ago for being extremely critical of their buggy release (which ironically was when I was still beta testing for them and had reported the bugs in good time!!). So yeah, GS has shown it's colors and where they stand when it comes to speaking your mind. And I'm not malicious, at least not on purpose. And when I do step over the line and somebody points that out, I have absolutely no problems admitting my error and apologizing (as can be seen if you go through my post history on various forums).

No the real reason is that GS has become a bit echo-chamber like lately which means I don't fit in no more. We'll see how it is in a few years. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has quietly just moved on (in fact, I know that I ain't the only one).

Ah so this is why you thought I was someone else. Understood.

I have lurked here since 2007 or so and only participated once briefly around the time of the invasion of Ukraine 2 years ago. I locked myself out of the account because it got too heated in off topic. GS lurker before even then. Have made a few accounts briefly over the last 6 years there, where I usually end up complaining about something "unjust", make a fool of myself and then delete my account.

Anyway I appreciate all of you who contribute here in good faith and GS for that matter. They are important outlets for discussion, and great resource for information gathering and those of you who go the extra mile are doing us a service.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I gave these plugins a quick demo yesterday and thought they sounded good. Very different sounding from the API Vision console from UAD or the Softube American Console (which are much more like each other than either to this). I don't own any Pulsar Modular plugins, nor have I followed the company all that closely outside their crazy prices. Don't feel strongly about them one way or the other.

Anyway, the plugins souded quite good. I didn't hear anything particularly game changing or incredible though. Just nice plugins. Worth the price? I'll keep demoing but I don't think I'm likely to buy. I'm becoming a bit of an anti-audiophile these days. What I mean by that is: I think big differences add up to big differences. All this "chasing the last 1% or 2%" stuff with EQ's and Compressors is silly. I now believe that the source and the performance are probably 65% of the sound, 20% is panning and volume balance, 13% is the broad processing you're going to do, i.e. the stuff you're really going to hear (big EQ boosts/cuts, heavy compression, reverbs/delays, that kind of thing), and no one will care about the last 1% or 2%.

You ever hear an alternate mix of a classic rock album that uses all the same takes? I'm thinking like the In Utero Albini mixes versus the original release, or the Butch Vig Nevermind mix versus the original, or the Pearl Jam Ten original mix versus the reissue mix, REM's Monster...marginal differences in all. Those albums would've been classics either way. Most of the tone was already there from the source. You could prefer one mix or the other if really paying attention and most people would never notice the difference. The only album with a big difference for the better I can think of was the recent Replacements Tim remix, but that was only because the original was such a product of bad 80s production decisions.

Anyway...what were we talking about? The Pulsar Modular API plugins, right! Good but not essential. Lots of other stuff at this level at much lower prices. Won't make a lick of difference in the end. Not that anyone would care about.

[eecrumjr77]

I can understand the sentiment but it doesn't fall upon others to manage the well being of your wallet. You are ultimately the one responsible for your own spending.

Well yeah, no shit. That's why I said I find it worth being aware of. I'm talking about my own awareness.

[bmanic]

I can understand the sentiment but it doesn't fall upon others to manage the well being of your wallet. You are ultimately the one responsible for your own spending.

Well yeah, no shit. That's why I said I find it worth being aware of. I'm talking about my own awareness.

[Kappa_Beta_Hi-Phi]

(snip) What I mean by that is: I think big differences add up to big differences. All this "chasing the last 1% or 2%" stuff with EQ's and Compressors is silly. I now believe that the source and the performance are probably 65% of the sound, 20% is panning and volume balance, 13% is the broad processing you're going to do, i.e. the stuff you're really going to hear (big EQ boosts/cuts, heavy compression, reverbs/delays, that kind of thing), and no one will care about the last 1% or 2%.
(snip)

Yeah I've been feeling this way since Slate did the classic console collection.

I'm not saying it's all snake oil, I enjoy using this stuff as much as anyone, but boy am I getting sick of it. And that's before we start talking 3D converters etc.