Pigments 3.5 vs Dune 3.5

[zerocrossing]

Dune guys with search arguments, you are arguing about something that is so pointless you look all ridiculous

It is a great movie though.

I loved it, but I feel like they never get the barron fat enough. He'd be about the average of men found in any Costco in America on a Saturday afternoon.

[Gam456]

The FM between oscillators is in the oscillator section itself, and if you want to do filter FM, you have to select one of the audio engines in the filter mod slot (not all filter models have this option), so you lose keyboard tracking, but you can then just put it back using the modulation system.

I see. It's limited and not flexible as Dune or Spire

Of course. Try it yourself. Take a sawtooth on oscillator 1 using the analog wave shapes and filter it with any filter. I used the 24 db transistor at half way. Then, take oscillator 2 and tune it down an octave and use it as a mod source for the filter. Play high notes.

I do not have aliasing. Typically I always reset the phase and use a sine.

Oh, you don't have aliasing when you use a waveform that's got no overtones? Do tell!

Of course you can have aliasing with sine waveform

[zerocrossing]

The FM between oscillators is in the oscillator section itself, and if you want to do filter FM, you have to select one of the audio engines in the filter mod slot (not all filter models have this option), so you lose keyboard tracking, but you can then just put it back using the modulation system.

I see. It's limited and not flexible as Dune or Spire

Of course. Try it yourself. Take a sawtooth on oscillator 1 using the analog wave shapes and filter it with any filter. I used the 24 db transistor at half way. Then, take oscillator 2 and tune it down an octave and use it as a mod source for the filter. Play high notes.

I do not have aliasing. Typically I always reset the phase and use a sine.

Oh, you don't have aliasing when you use a waveform that's got no overtones? Do tell!

Of course you can have aliasing with sine waveform

Of course it won’t be as noticeable.

[Jac459]

Dune guys with search arguments, you are arguing about something that is so pointless you look all ridiculous

It is a great movie though.

I loved it, but I feel like they never get the barron fat enough. He'd be about the average of men found in any Costco in America on a Saturday afternoon.

L O L !

[martiu]

aliasing is good

[pierb]

what are your sources for this statement or is this just your opinion?

Just my personal impression. Obviously neither Synapse nor Arturia disclose their sales numbers publicly.

It's pretty clear to me that you're listening with your eyes and not your ears, or picking the one that has the presets that you like more.

I don't particularly love Pigments or Dune so I doubt I'm as biased as you claim.

[fisherKing]

what are your sources for this statement or is this just your opinion?

Just my personal impression. Obviously neither Synapse nor Arturia disclose their sales numbers publicly.

thanks for owning that, a rare moment on this forum...

[zerocrossing]

The FM between oscillators is in the oscillator section itself, and if you want to do filter FM, you have to select one of the audio engines in the filter mod slot (not all filter models have this option), so you lose keyboard tracking, but you can then just put it back using the modulation system.

I see. It's limited and not flexible as Dune or Spire

Of course. Try it yourself. Take a sawtooth on oscillator 1 using the analog wave shapes and filter it with any filter. I used the 24 db transistor at half way. Then, take oscillator 2 and tune it down an octave and use it as a mod source for the filter. Play high notes.

I do not have aliasing. Typically I always reset the phase and use a sine.

Oh, you don't have aliasing when you use a waveform that's got no overtones? Do tell!

Of course you can have aliasing with sine waveform

FYI, I just checked, and running two sine waves an octave apart and running one to modulate the filter of Dune 3 does show noticeable aliasing on higher notes, so you might want to hit up an audiologist.

[zerocrossing]

aliasing is good

It depends. It can be good. I love a good low res digital synth sound, in the right context. I just got an Ambika that's all about 8 bit grunge into analog filters. I love that sound. If you leave Dune on "Normal/Low CPU" Modulation Rate, you can get some truly wacky stuff if you start using oscillators as mod sources. That said, if you're not going for that, it's not good. Dune still has a decent amount of range before it's noticeable, but I think they could give another level of quality for when you want something really nice and smooth.

[StrangeSatellite]

Not even close. Dune kills Pigments with such a margin that I have to assume those who disagree might be hard of hearing. One sounds like a toy. The other is Dune.

[Igro]

Not even close. Dune kills Pigments with such a margin that I have to assume those who disagree might be hard of hearing. One sounds like a toy. The other is Dune.

Do you have examples, that can proove problems with our hearing?

[chk071]

Not even close. Dune kills Pigments with such a margin that I have to assume those who disagree might be hard of hearing. One sounds like a toy. The other is Dune.

Oh, good that you actually mention the name. I wouldn't have known which one you're talking about.

[Dencheg]

Not even close. Dune kills Pigments with such a margin that I have to assume those who disagree might be hard of hearing. One sounds like a toy. The other is Dune.

Do you have examples, that can proove problems with our hearing?

Will the examples prove anything to those who don't hear the difference?

[chk071]

Will the examples prove anything to those who hear the difference?

Also let's recap what it is that is supposed to be proven:

One sounds like a toy. The other is Dune.

That's not only dumb shit, but totally subjective.

[Igro]

Not even close. Dune kills Pigments with such a margin that I have to assume those who disagree might be hard of hearing. One sounds like a toy. The other is Dune.

Do you have examples, that can proove problems with our hearing?

Will the examples prove anything to those who don't hear the difference?

I was expecting this answer. Boring.