Native Instruments Pro-53 is back as an open-source project (Cmajor port)

[audiojunkie]

How does this compare with U-he Repro? I can't imagine it being better than what I've already got.

It isn't. No idea why anyone would want it when there are much better options.

I guess it's more of a showcase for the programming language and what's possible in a web app.

That would make sense.

[chk071]

The filter sounds pretty decent for my specific taste. It sounds more 3D than many newer softsynths with "good" and supposedly "accurate" filters. It kinda sounds like a really good version of "bad" but quirky old VA synth, before filters all started sounding similar.

Although the filter resonance can get real loud.

Typical thing with older digital filters: The resonance "explodes" at some point.

How does this compare with U-he Repro? I can't imagine it being better than what I've already got.

Try it in the browser. Bit fiddly with these small controls though, and, I have no idea how to fine tune the parameters.

I don't think I'll bother, to be honest. I hate small fiddly controls, and Repro has a long-time reputation of being the best sounding Prophet 5 clone out there. It's got great controls and is very usable. It supports Linux natively too. I don't suspect I'll be more impressed with it than Repro. But I do like to keep an eye out for anything that might be better than what I currently use.

Best!

I don't want to bash this, but, yeah, RePro or Model 80 are of course more advanced than this. But, I think that's obvious, considering the age of the code.

[Caine123]

this is what NI doesn, take down software you cannot legally authorize anymore, they rip you off, you paid for a product and then they just steal it from you . hilarious.
imagine you buy a car and the company just comes to you and steals your key lol.

all those f*cking excuses about ni. they should give out offline installers/watermarked installers or whatever so you can still install and activate your f*cking legally bought software. no one expects them to support these old vsts but to let you activate.

people just move on and forget, this is the sad status. but yeah online is so great, cloud is so practical, yeah.

Getting mad won't change anything. The best you can do is keep long term usage in mind when choosing what to buy in the future. I know that there are a lot of people that say that these experiences (of not being able to authorize apps/plugins) don't happen anymore--or are so infrequent that it doesn't really count. Well, it matters to some, even if others disagree. I have always recommended people never buy an application that uses challenge response. The only copy protection that really lasts is a serial (or keyfile) that doesn't tie itself to anything (ex. hardware), and doesn't call home (to the company) for any reason. A customer should be able to pull out a USB storage drive with the program and the serial archived (stored) on it. They should be able to get things running, even if the company has ceased to exist. There are several great examples of companies that do this. U-he and TAL-Software come to mind as two of my favorites. Anything other than this punishes the honest customer that actually pays, more than the dishonest pirates. Vote with your wallet--buy form those that support you.

That said, one needs to be aware that even with that, there is no long term guarantee. For example, I moved to using a laptop with a 14 inch 4k (high resolution) screen. Although I still have 20+ years of music software still sitting around, I only enjoy using plugins that support scaling up by 200%, since I run my system scaled like HiDPI. Except for the extreme cases, I don't use much of my old software anymore.

So chalk this problem up to being a valuable learning experience, and only buy with long term usage in mind--including not buying any aps that don't scale up for higher resolutions, proper copy protection, buy samplers that support unencrypted or open formats, etc.

Even with all of that said, if I wanted to, I could use WINE on my Linux machine and an external monitor that is running at a lower resolution and be able to make use of all of my Windows apps. I keep thinking about doing it, but so far I've been doing fine with native-only apps. Who knows what the future will bring?

yes i already moved on. these companies sadly still have too many customers. thats why they do it. like in real life, do as long as people raise concerns, be calm and step back and then push again lol.

i just bring it up every time so maybe a handful of people might learn something new .

last time i could prevent some poor soul getting trapped by IK Multimedia's freebie marketing. another bad company.

oh sorry, offtopic, or maybe not cause we wouldnt have this issue if NI wouldnt suck with their stealing of legal license usage!

[audiojunkie]

Although the filter resonance can get real loud.

Typical thing with older digital filters: The resonance "explodes" at some point.

How does this compare with U-he Repro? I can't imagine it being better than what I've already got.

Try it in the browser. Bit fiddly with these small controls though, and, I have no idea how to fine tune the parameters.

I don't think I'll bother, to be honest. I hate small fiddly controls, and Repro has a long-time reputation of being the best sounding Prophet 5 clone out there. It's got great controls and is very usable. It supports Linux natively too. I don't suspect I'll be more impressed with it than Repro. But I do like to keep an eye out for anything that might be better than what I currently use.

Best!

I don't want to bash this, but, yeah, RePro or Model 80 are of course more advanced than this. But, I think that's obvious, considering the age of the code.

Agreed. I don't want to bash it either. Some people may not have a Prophet 5 clone, and this is better than a lot of other Prophet 5 clones. You and me (and several others, certainly) remember when plugins like this one were the top of the line. It's not bad for free for someone starting out and needing this type of sound. It's still definitely worthy of being used.

[Chris-S]

Feature Request:

Support Sustain Pedal. By overriding the Release-Button-Off (this is how it works on the hardware).

[Chris-S]

Tips and Tricks:

* Fast select presets by clicking in the program-name display
* The "Delay Effect" can also be used as Chorus or Flanger with the right settings
* The presets have been designed using the old filter, so may sound wrong with "new filter"
* Click and drag in the "voices" display to increase up to 32 voices ..
* Click and drag the bottom-right corner to Resize the GUI
* The original P5 presets start at nbr 411

[adamszabo]

https://github.com/cmajor-lang/cmajor/releases

Two important things to note
1) It reports only as an Effect - Not an instrument. Meaning you'll have to take appropriate measures to route MIDI to an Effect in your host (Basic instructions, for Cubase, are on the previous page of this thread.. )
2) It requires you drag the Pro 54 patch onto the GUI. You can find this here, but you MUST recreate the entire directory structure (including the GUI and worker sub dirs)
https://github.com/cmajor-lang/cmajor/t ... ches/Pro54

Thanks! I can confirm it works in FL Studio as well!

[jlgrimes11]

Although the filter resonance can get real loud.

Typical thing with older digital filters: The resonance "explodes" at some point.

How does this compare with U-he Repro? I can't imagine it being better than what I've already got.

Try it in the browser. Bit fiddly with these small controls though, and, I have no idea how to fine tune the parameters.

I don't think I'll bother, to be honest. I hate small fiddly controls, and Repro has a long-time reputation of being the best sounding Prophet 5 clone out there. It's got great controls and is very usable. It supports Linux natively too. I don't suspect I'll be more impressed with it than Repro. But I do like to keep an eye out for anything that might be better than what I currently use.

Best!

I don't want to bash this, but, yeah, RePro or Model 80 are of course more advanced than this. But, I think that's obvious, considering the age of the code.

Yes.

This came out at a time well before more modern emulation standards such as Diva (which is a pretty old synth now itself).

But it did have a unique sound which sounded pretty good. I remember using alot.

I wondered how it would sound if NI kept updating it.

[osiris]

That's easy. What it would look like if NI updated it. Just ask A.I. (If only this were around when I was doing SE stuff)

[chk071]

I wondered how it would sound if NI kept updating it.

That's easy. What it would look like if NI updated it. Just ask A.I.

[osiris]

That's also easy. It would sound like a Pro 53. This was a Prophet 5 emu. There was a 6 and it had a sequencer and arp. I'm sure those would be added.

[MrJubbly]

That's easy. What it would look like if NI updated it. Just ask A.I. (If only this were around when I was doing SE stuff)

That is a pretty-looking (albeit fake) plugin.

Not sure how its usability would be, but it does look a cool design for a plugin (just not Pro-53 ).

[GaryG]

That's easy. What it would look like if NI updated it. Just ask A.I. (If only this were around when I was doing SE stuff)

play some pretty exotic scales on that there keyboard

[nix808]

Can I make a free version of Pro-53 with these graphics?

[TS-12]

I never understood how to get anything to work from GitHub