Bye bye VST2

[Sascha Franck]

How about FabFilter and u-he (who will clearly release all their plugins in CLAP).

Fine. How about Waves? Or NI? And what about a big company going CLAP exclusively?

[donkey tugger]

I suppose as well, a lot of those people have been on 'production' or 'music technology' courses, rather than muddling through being self-taught, and are likely to continue using whatever they used at their particular institution, so the baton is passed, so to speak. That could be a factor.

What's wrong with that?
Even being self-taught, you could have incidentally taught yourself into the stuff other people also have?

I never said there was anything.

[jens]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger-Effekt

Du bist wirklich nach wie vor ein unfassbares <Wort-mit-A>.

Ein Kompliment aus Deinem Munde

[sQeetz]

CLAP has already taken off...

So, which of the big dudes in the plugin business is releasing their suites in CLAP format?

How about FabFilter and u-he (who will clearly release all their plugins in CLAP).

If Live starts supporting CLAP everything will fall in place. I mean: FL Studio *IS* huge... but companies still see it as a hobbyist DAW.

[MrJubbly]

How about FabFilter and u-he (who will clearly release all their plugins in CLAP).

Fine. How about Waves? Or NI? And what about a big company going CLAP exclusively?

So, by "big" you mean those old "dinosaurs" like Waves and NI? Who else do you regard as "big?", IK Multimedia?

Damn! I even own some products by those developers, but these companies haven't innovated in donkey's years.

I wouldn't be surprised if many are no longer around in the next decade.

Many of those are already merging into some unwieldly abominations as we speak.

[jens]

what about a big company going CLAP exclusively?

Moving the goal-post straight to another continent right there...

[vurt]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger-Effekt

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denim world?

is that the german "geordie jeans "?

[machinesworking]

But it has been suggested by some, that without CLAP support from Steinberg, Apple and Avid, that CLAP does not have a chance of becoming a major force in the music production world.

Therefore, if those DAWs still had a sizable base, albeit absolutely dwarfed by the much more popular userbase of the other DAWs (which likely will support CLAP), then the former DAWs' lack of support for the format, is still largely irrelevant to the format's adoption and success within those DAWs who will support CLAP.

Of course, the companies who produce/rely on their own proprietary audio plugin formats, will likely continue to do so. Meanwhile, users of other DAWs will embrace the open standard, regardless.

So again it has to be pointed out that two of those DAWs currently do not support VST in any way shape or form. VST2 did not become ubiquitous by converting Avid and Apple, it merely because the first plugin format developers would code for, porting or using a wrapper to get AAX and AU. So where in any logical world does it suggest that CLAP needs to be adopted by Cubase, Logic and Pro Tools to replace VST as the standard?

All it needs to do is be easier to deal with than VST3 which is a given. Ableton is the tipping point for sure, Studio One, DP, Reason etc. etc. will follow suite.

Aslo, I think people don't realize how big Reaper is, so FL, Reaper and if Live comes along, it's the tipping point.

[MrJubbly]

If Live starts supporting CLAP everything will fall in place. I mean: FL Studio *IS* huge... but companies still see it as a hobbyist DAW.

More fool them. They should know that many of their customers use that DAW.

(I agree with you btw. I am aware of such elitism, within certain quarters).

[seafire]

How about FabFilter and u-he (who will clearly release all their plugins in CLAP).

Fine. How about Waves? Or NI? And what about a big company going CLAP exclusively?

Never going to happen.

I would guesstimate it will be 20 years before the clap is any kind of 'standard'

[Sascha Franck]

Damn! I even own some products by those developers, but these companies haven't innovated in donkey's years.

Ok. So, where's the big orchestral instrument makers offering CLAP versions?
Where's the big guitar amp simulation makers offering CLAP versions?

[MrJubbly]

is that the german "geordie jeans "?

LOL! ... Vic & Bob (and Matt Lucas) ... Legends!

[jens]

Ableton is the tipping point for sure, Studio One, DP, Reason etc. etc. will follow suite.

Since Ableton and Bitwig are apparently in direct competition witch each other I would guess it'll be just a matter of months or perhaps even just weeks until Live supports Clap.

And even though it's not nearly as relevant: I read that a Magix developer already confirmed that Clap-support will come with an upcoming Sampltide X8 update.

[machinesworking]

... and Live is by far the most common DAW people use, followed by ...

80% (guesstimate...) of tutorial or introduction or anything about plugins... people are using Live. I don't mind.

I would say that's a reach. Live is also really expensive compared to Reaper and Logic. Most people don't have a little under $800 to get Suite. Personally I would not be surprised if it went in order of popularity first to last something like: FL Studio, Live, Logic, Reaper, Studio One, Cubase, Pro Tools, Reason, Bitwig Studio, Renoise, Sonar, Digital Performer etc. etc.

I don't think Live is that far ahead of the top four, and it's not ahead of FL Studio.

[MrJubbly]

Damn! I even own some products by those developers, but these companies haven't innovated in donkey's years.

Ok. So, where's the big orchestral instrument makers offering CLAP versions?
Where's the big guitar amp simulation makers offering CLAP versions?

Where were they when VST3 first launched?

And CLAP is far more likely to replace VST3 quicker than VST3 replaced VST2.