Bye bye VST2

[Sascha Franck]

Where were they when VST3 first launched?

Completely irrelevant. I can use their products in any DAW of my choice. Not possible with CLAP.

And CLAP is far more likely to replace VST3 quicker than VST3 replaced VST2.

Ok. As I've said several times already, I'm all for a common format. I just don't see it happening without any big players joining.

[machinesworking]

Ableton is the tipping point for sure, Studio One, DP, Reason etc. etc. will follow suite.

Since Ableton and Bitwig are apparently in direct competition witch each other I would guess it'll be just a matter of months or perhaps even just weeks until Live supports Clap.

And even though it's not nearly as relevant: I read that a Magix developer already confirmed that Clap-support will come with an upcoming Sampltide X8 update.

I don't know if you're being serious here or not, but Ableton haven't done anything in a timely manor at any point in the 21 years I've owned Live. They're the tipping point but if they do intend on adopting CLAP it probably won't come until Live 13.

All of this should have been something instigated 20 years ago when AU came out as a crippled to one OS solution to VST ownership issues. It was a horrible solution to tie a format to a single OS, and CLAP should have been the response.

[Sascha Franck]

It was a horrible solution to tie a format to a single OS, and CLAP should have been the response.

Just in case it wasn't clear yet: That's something I wholeheartedly agree with.

[jens]

I don't know if you're being serious here or not, but Ableton haven't done anything in a timely manor at any point in the 21 years I've owned Live.

Okay, fair enough!

[machinesworking]

Ok. As I've said several times already, I'm all for a common format. I just don't see it happening without any big players joining.

Like has been mentioned, Ableton have to get on board, then plugin developers could safely code for a large enough ecosystem.

I don't think it will take 15 years like VST3 did, but I'm a bit upset that a rational choice in plugin format is not going to be standard until I'm likely an arthritic mess.

[MrJubbly]

... and Live is by far the most common DAW people use, followed by ...

80% (guesstimate...) of tutorial or introduction or anything about plugins... people are using Live. I don't mind.

I would say that's a reach. Live is also really expensive compared to Reaper and Logic. Most people don't have a little under $800 to get Suite. Personally I would not be surprised if it went in order of popularity first to last something like: FL Studio, Live, Logic, Reaper, Studio One, Cubase, Pro Tools, Reason, Bitwig Studio, Renoise, Sonar, Digital Performer etc. etc.

I don't think Live is that far ahead of the top four, and it's not ahead of FL Studio.

That is a very reasonable list of DAWs arranged by their "probable" popularity.

Certainly, FL Studio appears to be more popular than Ableton Live (but it could be close). But those are definitely the top two whichever way you cut it, from observable online popularity.

There are lot of Apple users in music production, so I wouldn't be surprised if Logic was closer to perhaps edging out Cubase on than particular platform. However, overall, I would still imagine Cubase has the numbers over both MacOS and Windows combined. Pro Tools is its own thing and those who use it will always likely do so.

Bitwig Studio, Studio One, Reaper, Reason, are all in the next popularity tier I feel. Although, some of these could easily start to attract more customers going forwards and could even end up being one of the major players themselves. If I was to guess which is the most likely to sky rocket in popularity at some point, my money would be on Bitwig.

[sQeetz]

I would say that's a reach. Live is also really expensive ....

I don't mean people actually using it... I mean people on YouTube and the like tutoring about new plugins and production techniques and the like. Live is used quite A LOT comparing to anything else.
Watch a video of someone reviewing a new plugin. 8 times out of ten Live is being used.
Like already said: FL Studio is most probably the uncrowned King of user base. But still... if Live doesn't CLAP, no one will, really...

[pdxindy]

How about FabFilter and u-he (who will clearly release all their plugins in CLAP).

Fine. How about Waves? Or NI?

The slower companies will get there eventually (NI will probably be last due to so much technical debt). It hasn't even been 2 years since CLAP was announced. And u-he was on board even before the announcement and it will still be maybe the end of 2024 by the time all their plugins have CLAP version. Development takes time. The number of hosts and plugins supporting CLAP is impressive given how new it is.

[Sascha Franck]

I don't think it will take 15 years like VST3 did, but I'm a bit upset that a rational choice in plugin format is not going to be standard until I'm likely an arthritic mess.

Hah! Pretty much the same here.

[sQeetz]

Damn! I even own some products by those developers, but these companies haven't innovated in donkey's years.

Ok. So, where's the big orchestral instrument makers offering CLAP versions?
Where's the big guitar amp simulation makers offering CLAP versions?

Yahhh. f**k the system: but lets get going as therr===========

[Sascha Franck]

The slower companies will get there eventually (NI will probably be last due to so much technical debt). It hasn't even been 2 years since CLAP was announced. And u-he was on board even before the announcement and it will still be maybe the end of 2024 by the time all their plugins have CLAP version. Development takes time. The number of hosts and plugins supporting CLAP is impressive given how new it is.

I will happily wait and see. But I still don't see it to happen even remotely "soon" (as in, say, during the next 5 years).
And while I know that it's also a lot about the users, personally I won't invest money and time to buy and learn a new host to show whomever the finger, just to end up with a lot of options missing.

[MirkoVanHauten]

Given Steinberg now put the VST2 gun on dev's heads (noit just their own), I think this will speed up the progress of CLAP adoption. And we know their opinion on CLAP (like the FabFilter statement, BlueCat's posts, FL Forum) is far from negative or close minded.

[machinesworking]

I would say that's a reach. Live is also really expensive ....

I don't mean people actually using it... I mean people on YouTube and the like tutoring about new plugins and production techniques and the like. Live is used quite A LOT comparing to anything else.
Watch a video of someone reviewing a new plugin. 8 times out of ten Live is being used.

It's been like that since Live 4 or 5 though. It's been the host for plugin showcasing on youtube since the beginning. Probably because it has a 2D neutral grey GUI.

Like already said: FL Studio is most probably the uncrowned King of user base. But still... if Live doesn't CLAP, no one will, really...

Yeah, but to be fair, they just have to announce that they plan to support it, then people will adopt it.

[jamcat]

Most YouTube videos I see are pretty evenly distributed across Live, Logic, Studio One, Cubase, and Pro Tools. But if I see they're using Fruity Loops, I'll click a different video.

[gaggle of hermits]

But if I see they're using Fruity Loops, I'll click a different video.

that's nice. but don't just stop there. tell us what you had for breakfast too.