Waveform 13 coming

[Teksonik]

The new color options came up a little short as we still don't have user definable colors for the Clips

I wanted to come back and correct this. I've been dialing in my new theme this morning and discovered that the Clip Color options do change with the changes in the color blocks in the Theme Editor. I still have to work on it some more but it looks like all the clip colors can be changed to personal taste.

I still don't see a way to set a custom color for Midi Notes but I'll keep trying to see if there is a way.

EDIT: Looks like only every other color block in the Theme Editor can be customized. The pencil icon that opens the custom color creator only shows on every other color block. Not sure if that's intended or a bug, seems more like intended behavior.

[jens]

The resizing bug with Melodyne gets somewhat better when I untick "enable DPI awareness".

[Teksonik]

- How do you mix, when you have to close the mixer whenever you want to open a plugin just in order to acess it's GUI?

Here's the layout I use at this point. No need to close the Mixer, plugin GUIs go over top and the midi editor expands to cover all but the bottom info area.

I don't have a problem being productive in Waveform but of course we all work differently. My needs are pretty simple. I just need it to record my keyboard playing accurately into tracks similar to a multi-track tape machine of olden days. I don't do a lot of post automation.

I still have some workflow tweaking to do especially with this new version but I don't see any roadblocks or speed bumps to being productive for the way I work. One thing that helps me in any DAW I own is that my Akai MPK261 controller keyboard can send qwerty keystrokes including modifiers from its buttons so navigating the UI and options is extremely easy.

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[operandx]

- How you progress with your song's production when you can't add additional take to existing ones?

Get it right first time? No seriously, it is a feature that needs to be added. There is a long winded way of achieving this by unpacking the takes and then recording some more, unpacking those. Then selecting them all and packing them into a comp again. By no means ideal.

[fde101]

The traditional mixer in the Tracktion DAWs is the section along the right side of each track. The separate mixer view ("M" or now TAB) did not exist until more recently, and I don't usually bother using it in this DAW as it adds very little of value in most cases.

Now with the clip launcher, I am wishing you could show/hide the different mixer parts separately when the mixer is displayed in the Split View ("M") vs. being displayed without the tracks (TAB). The mixer parts are quite redundant when the tracks are visible and waste the limited vertical space in the window (as opposed to the traditional horizontal mixer which uses the more plentiful width of the display), but it would be nice to have them when displaying the mixer without the tracks. I think I would like to configure it to show only the track names and the clip launcher when split ("M") but to show more of the mixer controls when separate (TAB) but right now that doesn't appear to be an option?

[jens]

- How do you mix, when you have to close the mixer whenever you want to open a plugin just in order to acess it's GUI?

Here's the layout I use at this point. No need to close the Mixer, plugin GUIs go over top and the midi editor expands to cover all but the bottom info area.

Yeah, I hate this. I want to mix using a maximized mixer. There's absolutely no point for me in wasting screen-estate on the timeline while I am mixing.
I need the timeline (and as much of it as possible, thank you very much, so the output panel is a nigh useless piece of nonsense for me) when I arrange.

What's the point of being able to have the mixer floating and maximized when you can't use it for mixing because opened plugin GUIs keep disappearing behind it?

Did people really ask for a seperate, dedicated mixer for a decade or two in order to end up with this?

[jens]

The traditional mixer in the Tracktion DAWs is the section along the right side of each track.

It's not a mixer. It's what Tracktion had for a long time instead of a mixer.

If it was a mixer, a mixer wouldn't have been - by far - the most requested feature since 2002 or 2003.

[jens]

- How you progress with your song's production when you can't add additional take to existing ones?

Get it right first time?

Yeah, I wish, I wish.

Here's what happens often to me:

I come up with something which I find worthy of working on (be with with guitar, bass, piano or whatever) and start recording it just to the click. At some point I open up Superior Drummer (or whatever) in order to look for an appropriate drum-groove (which tends to be not too much of a hassle suing tap2find) but then when I add the one I settle on initially, I notice that my micro-timing is off as compared to the drums, so it this point I might re-record the intial pattern before even recording anything else.

But of course I want to keep the original recording because

a) I might want to come back to that phrasing at a later point in the song
b) I might at some point end up deciding that it actually was the more appropriate phrasing all along more and to start again from scratch

That's just one reason I need to be able to record addional takes - in all fairness I have to say though that Tracktion's track-snapshots can be of some help here.

[operandx]

The traditional mixer in the Tracktion DAWs is the section along the right side of each track.

It's not a mixer. It's what Tracktion had for a long time instead of a mixer.

If it was a mixer, a mixer wouldn't have been - by far - the most requested feature since 2002 or 2003.

I do remember back in the day there seemed to be just as many requesting that no mixer was added.

Anyway back to the plugin behind the mixer thing. This happens when the mixer is undocked, I'd really only undock it if I was using a second monitor. What I would do instead is make the mixer full screen, using the TAB key, then as far as I can see plugin windows appear atop it.

[fde101]

It's not a mixer.

Yes it is. All of the controls are there, as is access to the plugins, it is simply laid out differently than most people are accustomed to. Given the modular nature of how things are handled in the Tracktion DAW, it makes very efficient use of screen space while keeping the essential controls highly accessible, and is quite well-designed.

The vertical mixer is something I see as more of a comfort item for people who have a hard time adjusting to the superior horizontal approach they took in the first place, but it does have an advantage of providing the possibility of longer faders and (perhaps even more importantly) meters. If you are one of those people who frequently use an obnoxious number of plugins on the same track, it does admittedly provide more space for the labels to help keep track of what is what.

Up until the new addition of the clip launcher, the only real value I saw in the mixer for me personally was the longer per-track meters, though even then I only make use of them sporadically.

That said, the vertical mixer in a *detached* form would probably make a lot more sense if I had a dual-monitor setup with the two displays side by side. I do have dual monitors, but (restricted by where I have the computer set up) they are arranged in such a way that one is less convenient to use than the other, making this a less desirable practice.

[jens]

The traditional mixer in the Tracktion DAWs is the section along the right side of each track.

It's not a mixer. It's what Tracktion had for a long time instead of a mixer.

If it was a mixer, a mixer wouldn't have been - by far - the most requested feature since 2002 or 2003.

I do remember back in the day there seemed to be just as many requesting that no mixer was added.

That's not what I remember...

the way I remember it it was just a tiny (completely unreasonable minority (btw. I can't really remember anymore, but actually I might have been one of them )

Anyway back to the plugin behind the mixer thing. This happens when the mixer is undocked, I'd really only undock it if I was using a second monitor. What I would do instead is make the mixer full screen, using the TAB key, then as far as I can see plugin windows appear atop it.

I was using tab, but yeah, it was maximized - you are right, if I keep it docked that doesn't happen, so thanks you!

(It isn't really maximized that way though and a lot of screen estate is wasted - grumpy old me hates that)

[jens]

It's not a mixer.

Yes it is. All of the controls are there, as is access to the plugins, it is simply laid out differently than most people are accustomed to. Given the modular nature of how things are handled in the Tracktion DAW, it makes very efficient use of screen space while keeping the essential controls highly accessible, and is quite well-designed.

Nope, it isn't and it doesn't - it's the saddest, messiest and most finicky waste of screen-space the world has ever seen - that plus it carries the danger of causing eye-cancer - plus it's a waste of time and productivity and a terrible and absurd idea to begin with. It's just a complete, hilarious joke in and of itself. The one thing it certainly isn't though is being a mixer.

[Teksonik]

Yeah, I hate this. I want to mix using a maximized mixer. There's absolutely no point for me in wasting screen-estate on the timeline while I am mixing.

Doesn't matter if you hate it, works fine for me.

I need the timeline (and as much of it as possible, thank you very much, so the output panel is a nigh useless piece of nonsense for me) when I arrange.

What's the point of being able to have the mixer floating and maximized when you can't use it for mixing because opened plugin GUIs keep disappearing behind it?

You know you can expand to full screen and hide different sections of the UI and setup custom keyboard shortcuts for those actions right? Sounds like you just need to spend more time learning Waveform and creating a workflow that's right for you or....abandon it all together. The more I work with WF the more comfortable I get with it and the more fond of it I grow. Of course not all DAWs are for everyone and there is no such thing as a 100% perfect DAW. Learning to adapt and overcome imperfections is the key.

For example try this option on/off:

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[Teksonik]

Anyway here's a weird one. Playing through appears to "scrub" the midi notes from the drum track although the notes themselves are not deleted. Doesn't visually scrub the midi notes from the lead layers.

I don't have screen capture software installed on my studio system unless Win 10 has one which would probably be wonky at best so I just took a quick cell phone video. (don't bother with the sound unless you want to hear a YouTube video playing in the other room).

This is a fresh release of WF 13 so there are bound to be some issues in a new version of software as complex as a full DAW. I don't know if FigBug is monitoring this thread or not.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yaf_dP ... sp=sharing

[jens]

You know you can expand to full screen and hide different sections of the UI and setup custom keyboard shortcuts for those actions right?

Yes, of course I know that - after all I even mentioned it in my posts here...
you can even create action-buttons for it (and many exist already pre-made in the row called "Panels").

That doesn't however solve the issues I mentioned here. E.g. if the outputs panel is hidden, there is no way to see - outside the mixer - whether a track is soloed or muted.