Why did you leave Studio One?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Sure, but, the point is, when I bought the highest tier Studio One version, I thought I had bought something unrestricted, unlimited, and now they begin to make more and more content Studio One+ exclusive. Which tells me that they want people to subscribe. Which tells me that, as an owner of the perpetual license, I'm a second class citizen, although I spent hundreds of €. Not a good development.

That is exactly what we are becoming - as of today.

Now - personally I am probably just having a "first day slap in the face reality check" kinda vibe on this - but I think after a few days - it will not matter.

One bonus that is the most importnat of all - is that my "perpetual license" is still cheaper than the newer Hybrid - so I need to ask myself - does this dinky little new "free" synth really matter in the long run - I am thinking no.

If I am feeling frosty about it - I will simply fire up Diva or Omnisphere and put those feelings to bed.

But if the day comes where there is a marked difference in "functionality" between S1 vX Pro and S1+ vX "Hybrid" Pro - that is a difference conversation with a more serious response.

VP

[chk071]

One bonus that is the most importnat of all - is that my "perpetual license" is still cheaper than the newer Hybrid - so I need to ask myself - does this dinky little new "free" synth really matter in the long run - I am thinking no.

Me neither. It's just that it makes me wonder what's next.

Well, maybe I shouldn't care. If nothing extraordinary happens, I'm unlikely to get a paid upgrade in the next 5 or 6 years anyway.

[dellboy]

One bonus that is the most importnat of all - is that my "perpetual license" is still cheaper than the newer Hybrid -

Is it cheaper? or am I reading it wrong?

It seems to me that you pay for a whole year up front - $179.99, and you get to keep everything - "forever".

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Me neither. It's just that it makes me wonder what's next. Well, maybe I shouldn't care. If nothing extraordinary happens, I'm unlikely to get a paid upgrade in the next 5 or 6 years anyway.

Just confirmed with Presonus that this new "synth" is being treated exactly like any other "exclusive" content that an S1+ user would have gotten anyway - but I think why it's bending users out of joint is that it is the first new "instrument" to be offered the S1+ class - in like forever.

Also trying to get an answer on what the options are for me (as a perpetual user). What if I want to "upgrade" to S1+ Hybrid? Is there a discounted upgrade path or is it full price?

AND - if I did go S1+ Hybrid - and decided to dump it at the end of a year - is that "free" perpetual license I get as part of the S1+ Hybrid sceanario - still "upgradable" to the next "major" version of S1?

If it is not - all you get from the Hybrid Plan is an old (so to be VERY retired) perpertual license that is also non-upgradable - forcing you to start all over again - again

VP

[Crossinger]

One bonus that is the most importnat of all - is that my "perpetual license" is still cheaper than the newer Hybrid -

Is it cheaper? or am I reading it wrong?

It seems to me that you pay for a whole year up front - $179.99, and you get to keep everything - "forever".

I read it this way: you get to keep the Studio One Pro stock app forever - but not the Add-Ons.

And I hope this is a glitch in their online shop: Upgrade Pro 1-5 —> Pro 6 is now listed for $299. (I consider it a glitch…)

[ramseysounds]

I never did. Never joined either. Have been on cubase since version 4. Thanks for asking though

[chk071]

I never did. Never joined either. Have been on cubase since version 4. Thanks for asking though

Brother. Thou musteth join our movement.

Alternatively, you could try Reaper, and then leave it.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Is it cheaper? or am I reading it wrong?

Every S1 upgrade I have ever done - as a perpetual user - has been $149.00 CDN - which is much cheaper than $225.00 CDN for an "annual" access point into S1+ Hybrid.

VP

[jamcat]

I have never cared about any Studio One addons or included plugins, beyond the Mix FX, and I already own all the synth plugins I need already. A new exclusive synth is certainly nothing that would cajole me into a subscription. I would never use something that could be taken away anyways. But I still don’t like that they’re doing this, and it shakes the feeling of security and peace of mind I had in Studio One.

The carrot and stick combination of introducing Studio One+ Hybrid while ending perpetual sales of add-ons points to PreSonus having trouble hitting the subscription numbers they need. The thinking here clearly was them trying to strong-arm people into subscriptions while also trying to address the primarily apprehension people have to subscriptions.

But it still seems pretty stupid to me. What good are rented add-ons and a perpetual core license to each other? If you ever use the rented stuff and then end the subscription, everything you’d done falls apart. But if you maintain the subscription indefinitely so you can continue using the add-ons, what good is a perpetual license?

The desperation here is more than a little concerning. It suggests that Studio One+ (formerly Sphere) is an important part of their revenue stream plan, and is struggling. I think this is an ongoing situation and probably what’s behind the acquisition by Fender. So now we’re looking at an increasingly aggressive push to a subscription model that no one wants, and potentially dire consequences for Studio One if it fails. So I find myself hoping they get the subscribers they need without me being one of them. And probably everyone else feels the same way. Not a good corner for PreSonus to have painted themselves into.

[dellboy]

Is it cheaper? or am I reading it wrong?

Every S1 upgrade I have ever done - as a perpetual user - has been $149.00 CDN - which is much cheaper than $225.00 CDN for an "annual" access point into S1+ Hybrid.

VP

But this is not an "upgrade" to an existing purchase. It seems that a person new to Studio One can rent it for a year - cancel - and thereafter own the full Pro version for $179.99. (US) The critical question is whether that version can ever be upgraded.

[Crossinger]

But it still seems pretty stupid to me. What good are rented add-ons and a perpetual core license to each other? If you ever use the rented stuff and then end the subscription, everything you’d done falls apart.

Oh, please don‘t open this can of worms again. Never understood why I should open old files. I finish a track, I create a mixdown & stems and I‘m done. Never look back. And even if I would do, I still have the recorded audio, and all the MIDI data (if I‘m looking for that genius chord progression I once used).

You still can open old files without the add-ons. You‘ll simply get a list of missing plugins.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Oh, please don‘t open this can of worms again. Never understood why I should open old files. I finish a track, I create a mixdown & stems and I‘m done. Never look back. And even if I would do, I still have the recorded audio, and all the MIDI data (if I‘m looking for that genius chord progression I once used).

Respectfully - this is your (and to a degree - my) workflow. But we cannot speak to anyone else's way of doing things.

I know some S1 users who have upgraded a single machine 3 or 4 times in succession and have 4 S1 icons on the desktop and routinely revisit sessions from years ago - especially in audio post, voicework (like me) and other media verticals.

If one is going to go this route - AND uses the addons frequently - they really will need to start working like you and I do.

VP

[J Veronica]

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[jamcat]

But it still seems pretty stupid to me. What good are rented add-ons and a perpetual core license to each other? If you ever use the rented stuff and then end the subscription, everything you’d done falls apart.

Oh, please don‘t open this can of worms again. Never understood why I should open old files.

That's the difference between you and me.
I like being able to go back and open an old can of worms.

[Fornicras]

Well, I didn't left S1, yet.
But this 6.6 update does too little and also adds a subscription only instrument which does not really add to their weak collection of instrument plugins.

2 years ago I quit FL and started using S1 but compared to FL, it develops really slowly and not exciting at all. And now they are going into the wrong direction.

Thanks god FL has lifetime free update so I can get back to it whenever I like. Downloading it as I write.