Why did you leave Studio One?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

How can you “quit early” if you pay for a whole year on the hybrid plan?

Again - probably not possible.

Just threw it out there to put some context/focus on where a user would leave himself/herself in terms of a Studio One version - IF they bailed real early.

VP

[Vocalpoint Studios]

But you only get a perpetual license when you choose the yearly plan, don't you?

And - important to note - you might never get (or need) a perp license - like ever - if you simply renew.

Presonus is making this available ONLY to those who quit (do not renew).

This scenario was the big sticking point with the prior sub plan. Too many users on "plan" suddenly realized they lost everything by not renewing.

This Perp license is a means to be able to open and preserve their current work instead of clipping them of everything and leaving them with nothing if they dump their plan. Nice gesture I say.

VP

[jamcat]

What if you get Studio One Hybrid, and then renew without ever losing coverage, but only pay for Studio One+? Do you still get your perpetual license at the point when your Studio One Hybrid subscription ends, or when your Studio One+ subscription ends, or do you forfeit it by switching?

[jens]

What if you get Studio One Hybrid, and then renew without ever losing coverage, but only pay for Studio One+? Do you still get your perpetual license at the point when your Studio One Hybrid subscription ends, or when your Studio One+ subscription ends, or do you forfeit it by switching?

What do you mean with "only pay for Studio One +"?

Either you pay upfront for a whole - discounted - year, then you are awarded with a perpetual license of the then current version whenever your year ends (plus minor point updates), or you pay monthly, then you don't get a perpetual license.

What's your question?

[jens]

But you only get a perpetual license when you choose the yearly plan, don't you?

And - important to note - you might never get (or need) a perp license - like ever - if you simply renew.

Why would you do that? You can always skip a few months, maybe half a year or nine months, then you won't miss much and still safe a lot of money. Who's going to renew hybrid the day after the previous year ended? At the very least you'll wait until the next release.

But perhaps this also means that they come out with new releases more regularly now - but then these will of course be far less significant, as is the case with Reaper.

The danger then of course would also be that the average user misses major new functions, as is the case with Reaper - who has the time to go through a list of 20-50+
bulletin-points every two-four weeks where you don't even know what 90% of them actually mean?

And if the users miss a lot of the - perhaps for them relevant - new stuff amongst the numerous updates, then that again means a reduced desire to renew.

https://www.reaper.fm/whatsnew.txt

[fedexnman]

Confusing new business model . It's very rent2own-ish . Didn't Props and Waves try this ?

[jens]

If you look at their team, you'll notice that they have a lot of mouth to feed:

https://www.presonussoftware.com/en_US/company/team

That's their problem basically. Matthias developed the core application alone in his free time out of passion,
but now they have an army of developers who apparently can't keep up with the task of making the users go for the paid updates, so the management desperately seeks new ways to generate income. (They should whip their staff for a change. .)

But instead of offering a new crossgrade deal they thought they'd try something new for a change - but as others have mentioned, they probably didn't really think this through. They'll obviously get a burst of increased income now, but then after that... ?
Almost nobody is ever going to purchase S1 at its full perpetual price anymore and the majority of new users isn't going to renew regularly. Plus they completely alienated a big part of their orginal-userbase.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Who's going to renew hybrid the day after the previous year ended? At the very least you'll wait until the next release.

Because if you do not renew - you are locked down. And eventually have to buy your way back.

If you cancel - that "free" perp license is locked. Maybe you are good with that for a few months - but like it it or not - you ARE skipping it.

You will be standing around watching me (old school perp licensee) enjoying new features while you ponder to restart your sub or upgrade to an "old school" perp license (and lose all the goodies you had during your sub).

Strategically - this is brilliant. Can't see any prior user not renewing.

They will want to be there for all the good stuff to come.

VP

[jens]

Confusing new business model . It's very rent2own-ish . Didn't Props and Waves try this ?

Nope, Cakewalk did something similar with Sonar first (and failed - then they offered "lifetime update"-licenses at some point but it turned out the rest of their lifetime was pretty short then since they closed business not long after), and now Bitwig is doing it - but in both of these cases you need(ed) to purchase the product first - a crucial step Presonus seem to have overlooked.

[jens]

Who's going to renew hybrid the day after the previous year ended? At the very least you'll wait until the next release.

Because if you do not renew - you are locked down. And eventually have to buy your way back.

If you cancel - that "free" perp license is locked. Maybe you are good with that for a few months - but like it it or not - you ARE skipping it.

It's like... like you completely skipped my whole argument.... like... like you didn't get any word of it... like... like I had typed it in Mandarin, not English or something.


"Locked down"?

Oh good lord the angst, the angst!!! I can't cope with the angst!!!

if you do not renew - you [...] eventually have to buy your way back.

And if you renew immediately, you "have to buy your way back" too, so what do you actually mean to say here?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

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Oh good lord the angst, the angst!!! I can't cope with the angst!!!
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You do you bro. You are clearly not getting even the slightest part of this.

VP

[Vocalpoint Studios]

And if you renew immediately, you "have to buy your way back" too, so what do you actually mean to say here?

It means - if you renew your sub - you get access to all the Studio One "updates" (not upgrades) - vs sitting on that perp license - which gets you nothing - as it is locked.

This is all about cash flow (for Presonus) - pay and you are in. Take the perp license and you are out.

VP

[jens]

And if you renew immediately, you "have to buy your way back" too, so what do you actually mean to say here?

It means - if you want to have access to all the Studio One "updates" (not upgrades) - you cannot sit on that perp license.

That gets you nothing - as it is locked.

VP

You still keep ignoring what I said earlier about this.

Again: How is this a problem?

!st of all:

E.g. V6 came out 4th of october 2022, 6.1 march 22nd 2023 - that's almost half a year you' d pay for no new release at all. But

2ndly:

even then chances aren't small that there isn't a lot in whatever major point update is going to come next that makes it worthwhile for you to paert with 180$ of your hard-earned bucks. You can sit it out until the next major point release - or the one after that, or the one after that. If you wait just six month before you renew each time, then you practically pay 50% less.

3rdly:

I'm still "locked down" in V5. Nothing happens to me because of it. Nobody comes knocking at my door, I don't have terrible nightmares, the neighbours don't shun me, my kids still talk to me. I simply didn't upgrade because what I want - by far - the most from a S1 update - fixing the completely messed up take-recording - so far hasn't materialized. (Who knows, maybe if they whipped their coders they'd end up fixing it after all... )

Do you really think - say I was a new user - if I now purchased hybrid, I was more likely to then part with 180$ right after the year would be over than I was to part with 150$ when V6 arrived? Personally I don't think I would.

[jens]

And if you renew immediately, you "have to buy your way back" too, so what do you actually mean to say here?

It means - if you renew your sub - you get access to all the Studio One "updates" (not upgrades) - vs sitting on that perp license - which gets you nothing - as it is locked.

"locked" -what does that even mean? You can still use it day in day out for as long as you want.

You seem to seek to paint some dreadful image as if that somehow was the end of the world for the user if he doesn't get a new update immediately.
(A scenario that absolutely doesn't aling with reality otherwise anyway, since not every day a new update is released.)

This is all about cash flow (for Presonus) - pay and you are in. Take the perp license and you are out.

VP

Being "in" vs "being "out"? How old are you? 15?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Again: How is this a problem?

None of it is a problem. You asked. I answered.

If you still are on v5 - who cares anyway? V5 was retired long ago.

Enjoy it and leave it at that.

VP