Why did you leave Studio One?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Where's the line drawn today and where will it be drawn tomorrow, and how much do they think they can get away with by twisting the perpetual license and subscription models? Brute force didn't work for Bitwig, Waves or Avid.

The line today - is very clear. All us existing "old school" perp licensees simply carry on. (minus that dinky synth)

The line tomorrow is unknown - and needless speculation on what "might" happen or "what they can get away with" does nothing but breed chaos and doubt.

As long as perpetual licenses are intact - we are all good. And for those who want the "goodies" - I think the new Hybrid plan is solid now that a perp license is included.

Long term - "They" won't be letting any of us just slip away.

It would be a mortal, unrecoverable wound if they did.

VP

[jamcat]

I read some replies from PreSonus reps on their forum where they said that there have always been addons that don’t come with Studio One Pro, such as the Audio Batch Converter or CTC-1, and Lead Architect was no different.

That struck me as pretty disingenuous since those addons could be purchased separately, but Lead Architect cannot.

If they adjusted this new policy so that comparison actually was true, then there would of course be no problem. I think ultimately they are going to have to. Perhaps there will be some period, say 6 months, where Lead Architect and the like is exclusive to Studio One+, but eventually I think it will be available for purchase. They just create too much uncertainty and distrust among their core customer base otherwise.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I read some replies from PreSonus reps on their forum where they said that there have always been addons that don’t come with Studio One Pro, such as the Audio Batch Converter or CTC-1, and Lead Architect was no different.

The whole "shop" thing remains a mess but Presonus has already confirmed this on Facebook yesterday:

2024-04-05_11-06-19.png

When this new "store" is cleared for takeoff - I would expect anything and everything that can be plugged in a Presonus piece of hardware or Studio One (including even Lead Architect) will all be available for us to blow a bunch of bucks on.

Change is hard and takes time. We all just need to relax a bit - maybe cut a track or two in S1?

VP

[eerie_audio]

Where's the line drawn today and where will it be drawn tomorrow, and how much do they think they can get away with by twisting the perpetual license and subscription models? Brute force didn't work for Bitwig, Waves or Avid.

The line today - is very clear. All us existing "old school" perp licensees simply carry on. (minus that dinky synth)

The line tomorrow is unknown - and needless speculation on what "might" happen or "what they can get away with" does nothing but breed chaos and doubt.

As long as perpetual licenses are intact - we are all good. And for those who want the "goodies" - I think the new Hybrid plan is solid now that a perp license is included.

Long term - "They" won't be letting any of us just slip away.

It would be a mortal, unrecoverable wound if they did.

VP

The line was so clear that it already did "breed chaos and doubt." They pretty much confused everyone until people started asking questions, and that's how the Facebook post happened. Let's not try to sugar coat their approach on communications, they simply sat back to see how the community would react, and had the shop card in their back pocket.

One man's dinky synth is another man's enjoyment. Try not to speak for everyone, thank you.

[eerie_audio]

Change is hard and takes time. We all just need to relax a bit - maybe cut a track or two in S1?

VP

Please try to learn the difference between forced change and organic/natural change, you seem to be confusing the two.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Let's not try to sugar coat their approach on communications, they simply sat back to see how the community would react, and had the shop card in their back pocket.

Not disagreeing with you at all on the comms - they were horrid.

One man's dinky synth is another man's enjoyment. Try not to speak for everyone, thank you.

Speaking for me (and me only) as far as that synth goes.

Did not ask for your feedback or to back me up in any way.

If it's that important to you - don't sit here and complain - sign up for Hybrid and get it.

VP

[eerie_audio]

Let's not try to sugar coat their approach on communications, they simply sat back to see how the community would react, and had the shop card in their back pocket.

Not disagreeing with you at all on the comms - they were horrid.

One man's dinky synth is another man's enjoyment. Try not to speak for everyone, thank you.

Speaking for me (and me only) as far as that synth goes.

Did not ask for your feedback or to back me up in any way.

If it's that important to you - don't sit here and complain - sign up for Hybrid and get it.

VP

Maybe it's time for you to take your own advice, "We all just need to relax a bit - maybe cut a track or two in S1?".

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Maybe it's time for you to take your own advice, "We all just need to relax a bit - maybe cut a track or two in S1?".

Tracking now

VP

[jamcat]

One man's dinky synth is another man's enjoyment. Try not to speak for everyone, thank you.

Don't feel bad. Just remember: it's not the size of the synth, it's the motion of the modulators.

[noremorze]

I read some replies from PreSonus reps on their forum where they said that there have always been addons that don’t come with Studio One Pro, such as the Audio Batch Converter or CTC-1, and Lead Architect was no different.

The whole "shop" thing remains a mess but Presonus has already confirmed this on Facebook yesterday:


2024-04-05_11-06-19.png


When this new "store" is cleared for takeoff - I would expect anything and everything that can be plugged in a Presonus piece of hardware or Studio One (including even Lead Architect) will all be available for us to blow a bunch of bucks on.

Change is hard and takes time. We all just need to relax a bit - maybe cut a track or two in S1?

VP

Not only are they not available (officially), it clearly says that they're Only Available in Studio One+. It's sad to see people keep falling for their bs. They're being disingenuous, their post even said the words "might" when it came to bringing the plugins back. We even have a PreSonus employee or former employee in this thread saying "so what?" that you don't have access to stuff being made for this DAW unless you subscribe, in this very same thread. They've shown to me what direction they want to go, I won't spend a dime on them anymore.

[BONES]

Today they hold back one new synth that regular Studio One Pro users used to get. What's next?

So what? They've been doing that with Sphere since I first took a look at Studio One. It's nothing new.

Call it a feeling, but, I'm pretty sure that enough people will subscribe that it will happen to be a good decision for them. That's the problem these days. The mainstream just destroys everything.

That has always been the problem and people like you are a big part of it. You think you are outside the mainstream? You have no f**king clue.

So if the cost is going to be the same or more, what is the actual advantage to Artist for you? Can it run snappier, or more plugin instances? Is a slightly larger menu in Pro really that debilitating?

I have no idea on the first two, my CPU rarely gets over 20% on my new machine and my latency has been at around 2ms for a while now. On the third point, no, it's not debilitating but neither is it necessary. I don't need to stroke my ego, the way so many people here seem to, so my purchase of Artist was more about seeing if it could do everything I need. You can't install Artist if you are already running Pro so I spent the $100 mostly to satisfy my curiosity. The v6 upgrade was also half the price, so it had the potential to save me quite a bit of money over time when I bought it. That's gone away now, which doesn't bother me all that much.

Even if you don’t care about 64-bit processing

What? It's the same installation as Pro - the code you use is identical. And it may shock you to know that even 20 years ago, when everything was 32 bit, most decent plugins processed everything internally at 64 bit anyway. I can output something from the 32 bit version of Orion and it will sound EXACTLY the same if I output it from the 64 bit version. The results are identical. The only real advantage of 64 bit is its ability to address a lot more RAM.

musical notation, video import/editing, track presets, track overview, the chord track, the scratch pad, the lyric track, the show page, multi-instruments, the splitter plugin, etc., is it really a better user experience for them to be removed completely?

Given that I have never used any of those things and cannot imagine any scenario in which I might want to, none of those things are worth having. The one exception would be the scratch pad, which I played around with but never really found any use for. I've not even thought about it in several years.

I don’t mean just not worse, I mean better and worth paying more to get less.

When more is just useless bloat that I will never use, then I think it is worth paying more to keep everything as streamlined as possible.

It made a whole lot of sense, it just seems you didn't get it.

No, not at all. I asked a question about how someone woudl interpret what was on a website as lying, you answered a completely different question. Listen, we all know you're not a funny or clever guy, you really need to leave that stuff to the experts.

next update it could be a clip launcher locked behind the subscriber wall.

Where it belongs. I'd be fine with that decision.

Because, it's misleading to the entire audio community when you start labelling chopped down versions as "Pro".

I dunno. I reckon I'm probably more of a pro than you and Pro exceeds my needs by a considerable margin. I like using "Artist" because it feels like a closer match.

Everyone knows that Pro means all the bells and whistles

No, it is short for "Professional", which means it is for people who work in a studio and earn a living from what they do. Honestly, I could earn a very comfortable living with Artist if I was into mainstream musical genres. It does everything any real pro could need.

Where's the line drawn today and where will it be drawn tomorrow

Where was it drawn 4 or 5 years ago when they launched the subscription service? We've all been living with it for ages and the sky has not yet fallen. There is no reason to think it might at any time in the near future.

[chk071]

Call it a feeling, but, I'm pretty sure that enough people will subscribe that it will happen to be a good decision for them. That's the problem these days. The mainstream just destroys everything.

That has always been the problem and people like you are a big part of it. You think you are outside the mainstream? You have no f**king clue.

I slowly understand why people despise you so much here. You really make zero sense, and create shit from nothing.

Seriously, catch some fresh sea air or something.

[jamcat]

Well I like both of you. It's that other guy I can't stand.

[concealed identity]

Well I like both of you. It's that other guy I can't stand.

What did I do?!?

[jamcat]

Well I like both of you. It's that other guy I can't stand.

What did I do?!?

Oh, I think you know, Mr. concealed identity... if that is even your real name!