Behringer Vintage Plugin

[RugerioDelStereo]

Sorry if it's been already discussed: people elsewhere are pointing out that the typeset for the VINTAGE logo is the same as the one on this old VST.

https://www.tubeohm.com/vst-vintage.html

I honestly think the similarities with Saurus are a bit of a stretch, but we're sure getting too many design coincidences here.

Regards,

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Marco

It's getting to the point of ridiculousness.



Notice how that plugin has white keys and black keys just like on the Behringer

Clearly Behringer stole trade dress from Roland opps I mean Arturia

Arturia always works with the original synth designer, so in this case Roland. But you are now just trolling, so this will be my last response to you. I hope you gain a lot of wisdom.

[spigmu]

We're talking about someone who puts himself high in the public eye and says F you, why hire a design staff when I can use your designs? People who are OK with that usually have never run a business or created a product they wanted to make a living off of.

They hired a designer. This is what that designer came up with. It's heavily 'inspired' by other similar products. Every designer copies other designs. Some can hide it better than others.

"Came up with"? Same business strategy, same rationale, same result. Not an excuse.

[audiojunkie]

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Yeah but it's Behringer so, you know...half-assing it is the name of the game . It sounds outdated and misses the mark completely. Combine that with them straight up stealing the layout and functionality of this thing from Ableton's Analog (yeah yeah, it's AAS) and using Tone2's trade dress for this one...just YUK.

What's Yuk is making the hilarious claim that anyone stole Tone2's trade dress. Tone2 has no trade dress as everything used by then is a derivative of other synth products which was a deliberate choice by then

Does Tone2 own fake wood grain or fake knobs or fake blue LCD screens of course not. Plugins are not made from wood, don't have the ability to have actual knobs and don't have actual LCD screens aside from your computers monitor

The plugin is a polyphonic 2 osc subtractive synth with envelopes a filter and LFOs

Pretty sure there are hundreds of plugins with that same feature all of them copying the functionality of the Prophet 5 which came out in 1977

The Prophet 5 also had wood grain and knobs that Tone2 CLEARLY stole for their plugins Yuk

It's amazing anyone with a functioning brain would make that leap

Bold words for someone who only joined a few months ago, and most of his/her comments are in this thread defending Behringer, of all things……

Sounds suspiciously like a shill to me….

[onerob]

Does Tone2 own fake wood grain or fake knobs or fake blue LCD screens of course not. Plugins are not made from wood, don't have the ability to have actual knobs and don't have actual LCD screens aside from your computers monitor

The plugin is a polyphonic 2 osc subtractive synth with envelopes a filter and LFOs

Pretty sure there are hundreds of plugins with that same feature all of them copying the functionality of the Prophet 5 which came out in 1977

The Prophet 5 also had wood grain and knobs that Tone2 CLEARLY stole for their plugins Yuk

It's amazing anyone with a functioning brain would make that leap

It's not about wood grain and fake knobs. It's about a particular style or "design language" that is being used in Saurus and Ray Blaster (and Warlock, partly) that involves a dark stripe behind sets of knobs, square buttons falling inside the stripe area and knobs with densely packed inidicator lines that grow longer towards the right end of the range. This last feature is particularly telling.

Being generous: Perhaps it's not a deliberate copy but a subconscious picking up of an existing product's style. Nevertheless, to imply people are being stupid for suggesting a similarity is not going to stand up to scrutiny.

Behringer:

Behringer knobs.png

Tone2:

Tone2 knobs.png

Finally, I'm not out to get Behringer, and am still interested to see what they do with software.

[audiouser720]

Sorry if it's been already discussed: people elsewhere are pointing out that the typeset for the VINTAGE logo is the same as the one on this old VST.

https://www.tubeohm.com/vst-vintage.html

I honestly think the similarities with Saurus are a bit of a stretch, but we're sure getting too many design coincidences here.

Regards,

--
Marco

Notice how that plugin has white keys and black keys just like on the Behringer

Yes, but it doesn’t look just like the Tone2 plugin, unlike that Behringer thing

[bungle]

I heard they took the website down to rename it "Saurish"

Now that would be awesome and make me actually go a buy something Behringer, the way that person from Tone 2 is acting and trying to manipulate this forum right now with multiple threads is so childish, so them being just as childish in return would be internet gold hahaha.

Yes, there's nothing wrong by being "inspired" by classic or even iconic concepts ("this is a Minimoog-style synthesizer"), but that isn't the only thing that's going on here. The usage of someone else's design language is unmistakable, which is based on years of design work. That's low.

The bigger fail is elsewhere though. Ableton Analog has a specific form factor because of how it's integrated in the DAW. The layout is a compromise, such that it's weirdly far away from classic synthesizer layouts. They probably did the best they could. But it's absolutely awkward to take that layout and stuff it in a plug-in that is not constrained by the same factors. It's a bit like the people who made that decision have no idea about synthesisers.

This is the biggest word salad I have read today, all to boil down to "They don't know anything about synths" which is a surprising conclusion about the best selling synth company on the planet, like or hate them, that is a fact.
So your point is that they know so little about synths that the public are just as bad?
Because they are selling more synths to you know, the public, than anybody else.
Is this a wise choice when you want to sell synths to that same public, or are you suggesting the public that know nothing about synths, those who buy Behringer, should not buy your synths?

Can’t wait for Behringer upcoming DAW with publicity and comments it will get

The best thing will be seeing the developers who moan about them hahaha.

Does Tone2 own fake wood grain or fake knobs or fake blue LCD screens of course not. Plugins are not made from wood, don't have the ability to have actual knobs and don't have actual LCD screens aside from your computers monitor

The plugin is a polyphonic 2 osc subtractive synth with envelopes a filter and LFOs

Pretty sure there are hundreds of plugins with that same feature all of them copying the functionality of the Prophet 5 which came out in 1977

The Prophet 5 also had wood grain and knobs that Tone2 CLEARLY stole for their plugins Yuk

It's amazing anyone with a functioning brain would make that leap

It's not about wood grain and fake knobs. It's about a particular style or "design language" that is being used in Saurus and Ray Blaster (and Warlock, partly) that involves a dark stripe behind sets of knobs, square buttons falling inside the stripe area and knobs with densely packed inidicator lines that grow longer towards the right end of the range. This last feature is particularly telling.

Being generous: Perhaps it's not a deliberate copy but a subconscious picking up of an existing product's style. Nevertheless, to imply people are being stupid for suggesting a similarity is not going to stand up to scrutiny.

Behringer:
Behringer knobs.png


Tone2:
Tone2 knobs.png


Finally, I'm not out to get Behringer, and am still interested to see what they do with software.

The thing that will not stand up to scrutiny is anybody suggesting that any of these elements are unique at all, the world of VST is so vast that as I stated earlier, you could go in to the KVR database and find various plugins that use this design style.
And lets not forget another thing here, go look at the instruments forum right now, it is quite funny that Tone2 are getting so much publicity from this too right?
It is probably the best thing that has happened to them in years.

[Hanz Meyzer]

So is this sounding good or not?

[audiouser720]

I heard they took the website down to rename it "Saurish"

Now that would be awesome and make me actually go a buy something Behringer, the way that person from Tone 2 is acting and trying to manipulate this forum right now with multiple threads is so childish, so them being just as childish in return would be internet gold hahaha.

Yes, there's nothing wrong by being "inspired" by classic or even iconic concepts ("this is a Minimoog-style synthesizer"), but that isn't the only thing that's going on here. The usage of someone else's design language is unmistakable, which is based on years of design work. That's low.

The bigger fail is elsewhere though. Ableton Analog has a specific form factor because of how it's integrated in the DAW. The layout is a compromise, such that it's weirdly far away from classic synthesizer layouts. They probably did the best they could. But it's absolutely awkward to take that layout and stuff it in a plug-in that is not constrained by the same factors. It's a bit like the people who made that decision have no idea about synthesisers.

This is the biggest word salad I have read today, all to boil down to "They don't know anything about synths" which is a surprising conclusion about the best selling synth company on the planet, like or hate them, that is a fact.
So your point is that they know so little about synths that the public are just as bad?
Because they are selling more synths to you know, the public, than anybody else.

Can’t wait for Behringer upcoming DAW with publicity and comments it will get

The best thing will be seeing the developers who moan about them hahaha.

Does Tone2 own fake wood grain or fake knobs or fake blue LCD screens of course not. Plugins are not made from wood, don't have the ability to have actual knobs and don't have actual LCD screens aside from your computers monitor

The plugin is a polyphonic 2 osc subtractive synth with envelopes a filter and LFOs

Pretty sure there are hundreds of plugins with that same feature all of them copying the functionality of the Prophet 5 which came out in 1977

The Prophet 5 also had wood grain and knobs that Tone2 CLEARLY stole for their plugins Yuk

It's amazing anyone with a functioning brain would make that leap

It's not about wood grain and fake knobs. It's about a particular style or "design language" that is being used in Saurus and Ray Blaster (and Warlock, partly) that involves a dark stripe behind sets of knobs, square buttons falling inside the stripe area and knobs with densely packed inidicator lines that grow longer towards the right end of the range. This last feature is particularly telling.

Being generous: Perhaps it's not a deliberate copy but a subconscious picking up of an existing product's style. Nevertheless, to imply people are being stupid for suggesting a similarity is not going to stand up to scrutiny.

Behringer:
Behringer knobs.png


Tone2:
Tone2 knobs.png


Finally, I'm not out to get Behringer, and am still interested to see what they do with software.

The thing that will not stand up to scrutiny is anybody suggesting that any of these elements are unique at all, the world of VST is so vast that as I stated earlier, you could go in to the KVR database and find various plugins that use this design style.
And lets not forget another thing here, go look at the instruments forum right now, it is quite funny that Tone2 are getting so much publicity from this too right?
It is probably the best thing that has happened to them in years.

This is not to do with Behringer, just a general observation about your comment: Just because something is best selling it doesn’t mean it’s the best. It just means that consumers of today are buffoons and sheep who just follow each other and trends and don’t know how to spend their money.

Are the best selling artists in the music industry the best?

[seafire]

Just because something is best selling it doesn’t mean it’s the best. It just means that consumers of today are buffoons and sheep who just follow each other and trends and don’t know how to spend their money.

Oh dear....that's a rather sweeping statement

I mean, I would guess that Diva or Zebra are some of the best selling synths...would you say their users are buffoons and sheep?

Sometimes things are very popular because they are good.

As for music/artist, that's too subjective. Just because you don't like them, or they are popular, doesn't mean you can automatically class them as cr@p (or whatever adjective you wish to use)

[IvyBirds]

It's not about wood grain and fake knobs. It's about a particular style or "design language" that is being used in Saurus and Ray Blaster (and Warlock, partly) that involves a dark stripe behind sets of knobs, square buttons falling inside the stripe area and knobs with densely packed inidicator lines that grow longer towards the right end of the range. This last feature is particularly telling.

Only Behringer has been using knobs like that for years in their hardware, I had a generic boom box that had a knob with markings like that back in the mid 1980s to control volume

[IvyBirds]

Sorry if it's been already discussed: people elsewhere are pointing out that the typeset for the VINTAGE logo is the same as the one on this old VST.

https://www.tubeohm.com/vst-vintage.html

I honestly think the similarities with Saurus are a bit of a stretch, but we're sure getting too many design coincidences here.

Regards,

--
Marco

Notice how that plugin has white keys and black keys just like on the Behringer

Yes, but it doesn’t look just like the Tone2 plugin, unlike that Behringer thing

Sure it does Tone2 has black and white keys. Just like Roland used decades ago. Tone2 stole Rolands trade dress

[IvyBirds]

Arturia always works with the original synth designer, so in this case Roland. But you are now just trolling, so this will be my last response to you. I hope you gain a lot of wisdom.

No they don't, they did for some things like how they worked with Cameron Jones in the Synclavier

But they most certainly didn't work with Roland on the Jupiter 8 or Juno, and didn't work with Dave Smith on the Prophet 5 or Prophet VS, or Tom Oberheim on the Oberheim

[IvyBirds]

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Yeah but it's Behringer so, you know...half-assing it is the name of the game . It sounds outdated and misses the mark completely. Combine that with them straight up stealing the layout and functionality of this thing from Ableton's Analog (yeah yeah, it's AAS) and using Tone2's trade dress for this one...just YUK.

What's Yuk is making the hilarious claim that anyone stole Tone2's trade dress. Tone2 has no trade dress as everything used by then is a derivative of other synth products which was a deliberate choice by then

Does Tone2 own fake wood grain or fake knobs or fake blue LCD screens of course not. Plugins are not made from wood, don't have the ability to have actual knobs and don't have actual LCD screens aside from your computers monitor

The plugin is a polyphonic 2 osc subtractive synth with envelopes a filter and LFOs

Pretty sure there are hundreds of plugins with that same feature all of them copying the functionality of the Prophet 5 which came out in 1977

The Prophet 5 also had wood grain and knobs that Tone2 CLEARLY stole for their plugins Yuk

It's amazing anyone with a functioning brain would make that leap

Bold words for someone who only joined a few months ago, and most of his/her comments are in this thread defending Behringer, of all things……

Sounds suspiciously like a shill to me….

Wow, did big foot tell you that? Maybe it was Elvis when you were abducted by aliens?

I am not a Behringer Shill. Behringer doesn't need shills when people like you continue to give them all the publicity they need

Why would they have shills for a free plugin one that broke the Internet with the usual outrage from the usual suspects making sure everyone knows about it

It's hilarious how people like you fall for it every time

No one gets more free exposure then Behringer

[audiouser720]

Just because something is best selling it doesn’t mean it’s the best. It just means that consumers of today are buffoons and sheep who just follow each other and trends and don’t know how to spend their money.

Oh dear....that's a rather sweeping statement

I mean, I would guess that Diva or Zebra are some of the best selling synths...would you say their users are buffoons and sheep?

Sometimes things are very popular because they are good.

As for music/artist, that's too subjective. Just because you don't like them, or they are popular, doesn't mean you can automatically class them as cr@p (or whatever adjective you wish to use)

[GruvSyco]

The whole thing has an AI vibe to me. Didn’t someone use AI a while back to code an audio plugin as a lark/test? And the UI wreaks of AI graphical shenanigans.