Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[seafire]

i can't remember the magazine name, but an album i did some bits for, made their top 100 of the year alongside people like weedeater and the legendary pink dots.

Razzle?

[vurt]

i can't remember the magazine name, but an album i did some bits for, made their top 100 of the year alongside people like weedeater and the legendary pink dots.

Razzle?

i wish! they eviscerated my movie performances in their reviews

[vurt]

my input was minimal, admittedly. im on the liner notes though, so it counts!!!

Let me guess, "Special thanks to Vurt for the pizza delivery."

cheeky!
that would have been more work than i actually put in tbh.

also, not ashamed to admit, that pretty much was my first studio job as an assistant.
help set up/tidy down, shop trips, takeaway, drug dealers, sit in on sessions
was a few months before i was riding faders.

tbh, getting paid to roll joints was not too bad.

[dartfordyes]

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[dartfordyes]

I think it is likely the case that talented people did not invent the concept to apply it to themselves

Every artist was first an amateur.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

This.
I considered myself "normal" until I won dozens of awards as a writer/ producer. Those awards were determined by knowledgeable members of the public and industry who had to justify their decision for public scrutiny.

I learned from those *surprising* experiences what narrowly specific abilities of mine the public considered to be 'talent.' So, just like 'talent scout' and 'talent agency,' I think talent is a concept based in external recognition, not at all on internal identity.

Which means to me, if you don't make something and get it out in the world for evaluation, you cannot possibly consider yourself to have a particular 'talent.' And thus the role of the knowledgeable 'public' and 'industry' in this thread is to justify why something is a product of a specific talent.

you sir are an inspiration .

[dartfordyes]

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[SampleScience]

It's both: you're born with it, but you have to work hard to make it a reality and stand out from the crowd. In that regard, Prince's memoir is really interesting.

[harryupbabble]

my input was minimal, admittedly. im on the liner notes though, so it counts!!!

Let me guess, "Special thanks to Vurt for the pizza delivery."

cheeky!
that would have been more work than i actually put in tbh.

also, not ashamed to admit, that pretty much was my first studio job as an assistant.
help set up/tidy down, shop trips, takeaway, drug dealers, sit in on sessions
was a few months before i was riding faders.

tbh, getting paid to roll joints was not too bad.

this sounds a lot like how jon bon jovi got his start in the music biz
i may have read his "slippery when wet" autobiography
that may not be the title of his autobiography
it's even possible that he has no autobiography

[jthekidd427]

in my opinion you’re born with the ear and you can try to learn everything but if you dont have the ear to create a catchy melody or hook then you have no song either

[Bunny_boy]

this sounds a lot like how jon bon jovi got his start in the music biz
i may have read his "slippery when wet" autobiography
that may not be the title of his autobiography
it's even possible that he has no autobiography

Would that be in the studio owned and run by his uncle Tony Bongiovi?

[OwenW]

Both

[jancivil]

Interesting that someone who writes "shitty" songs managed to headline arenas.

HAHA! Now we're talkin' pure argument to popularity.

Who would you say is more popular, Yngwie Malmsteen or Iggy Pop?

You cannot possibly begin to conceive of the extent of my not giving a f**k about either or what anybody thinks about them. If you believe (nota bene how I did not use the word "think") popularity is a sign of quality through itself you're a f**king idiot. Obvious fallacy is fallacious was the entirety of my interest in the earlier post.

[BONES]

Interesting that someone who writes "shitty" songs managed to headline arenas. At least in the States he did when he was with Rising Force.

I have never heard of them... wait on, turns out it was an album I've never heard of, not a band I've never heard of. Either way, big woop. Donald Trump managed to (sort of) fill stadiums, doesn't make him talented.

Frank Zappa is right, there's no such thing as shitty music.

Obviously he didn't listen to much of his own output.

What you consider shit is liked by many others.

... who probably don't know any better and have no frame of reference for it.

[harryupbabble]

in my opinion you’re born with the ear and you can try to learn everything but if you dont have the ear to create a catchy melody or hook then you have no song either

i`m not sure about being born with the ear
and i don`t try to learn everything
i know maybe one percent music theory
and i don`t hear melodies in my head

but

there are ways to create melodies without learning anything?
i think i may have the ear to enjoy all the songs in my mp3 collection
this means that i may also have the ear to enjoy melodic notes generated by randomizers

my ears pick what songs goes in my mp3 song collection
or what i consider good songs

my ears picks sequences generated by melody randomizers
or what i consider good melody sequences

[harryupbabble]

one can noodle with the guitar and other instruments to hunt for melodic sequences or whatever
but that is influenced by muscle memory

i noodle with randomizers
randomizers are not influenced by muscle memory
and randomizers spews out melodies not findable by fingers
fingers are influenced by tendencies or muscle memory

if i hear something that the randomizers spit out that i like, i keep it
what i like or what i choose is influenced by all the songs i have ever heard
classic rock songs mostly