The Legend HZ by Synapse Audio now available!

[Doggo]

It's an unnecessary comparison, anyway, and certainly OT for this thread. Hans Zimmer wouldn't be messing with The Legend HZ if it didn't carve out its own space (he doesn't need the money, after all).

Human nature doesn't always work that way.
Multi millionaires often over endorse products, no amount of money is too much money for them.
He obviously wants rather than needs and his endorsement comes at a premium hence the cost of the Vst.

[noiseboyuk]

Legend says that Jean-Michel Jarre had to tune his Minimoog on stage for half an hour once. Try that with digital.

And just to be that guy, AFAIK Jean Michel Jarre never used a MiniMoog.

[chk071]

Or maybe a Memorymoog? Or I'm imagining things.

[Uncle E]

Human nature doesn't always work that way.
Multi millionaires often over endorse products, no amount of money is too much money for them.
He obviously wants rather than needs and his endorsement comes at a premium hence the cost of the Vst.

His net worth is $200 Million. The time he spent making that video is worth more than what he'll ever make from plugin sales.

[noiseboyuk]

Or maybe a Memorymoog? Or I'm imagining things.

[TANGENT] Back in the 70s day AFAIK he didn't use any Moogs, though I'm sure he has at some point in the last 5 decades.

But he certainly had a lot of analog synths that drifted like nobody's fat business. I got hold of a copy of the original live radio broadcast of his legendary Concerts In China... it didn't sound much like the (wonderful) record. Tuning all those oscillators with a fluctuating power supply - gadzooks. [/TANGENT]

[jobinho]

Human nature doesn't always work that way.
Multi millionaires often over endorse products, no amount of money is too much money for them.
He obviously wants rather than needs and his endorsement comes at a premium hence the cost of the Vst.

His net worth is $200 Million. The time he spent making that video is worth more than what he'll ever make from plugin sales.

Zimmer just badly wanted those MSEGs and the nice big Sequencer on the UI. He got his way.

[martiu]

Zimmerburger just wanted a free license for the plugin

[chk071]

Or maybe a Memorymoog? Or I'm imagining things.

[TANGENT] Back in the 70s day AFAIK he didn't use any Moogs, though I'm sure he has at some point in the last 5 decades.

But he certainly had a lot of analog synths that drifted like nobody's fat business. I got hold of a copy of the original live radio broadcast of his legendary Concerts In China... it didn't sound much like the (wonderful) record. Tuning all those oscillators with a fluctuating power supply - gadzooks. [/TANGENT]

It was a Memorymoog (from 1:32).

[seafire]

It's an unnecessary comparison, anyway, and certainly OT for this thread. Hans Zimmer wouldn't be messing with The Legend HZ if it didn't carve out its own space (he doesn't need the money, after all).

Human nature doesn't always work that way.
Multi millionaires often over endorse products, no amount of money is too much money for them.
He obviously wants rather than needs and his endorsement comes at a premium hence the cost of the Vst.

HZ asked SA to create this. He liked the original but wanted extras. Nothing to do with money. I very much doubt HZ gets a penny from it. He does however get an instrument he can use in all his soundtracks.

[Examigan]

Human nature doesn't always work that way.
Multi millionaires often over endorse products, no amount of money is too much money for them.
He obviously wants rather than needs and his endorsement comes at a premium hence the cost of the Vst.

His net worth is $200 Million. The time he spent making that video is worth more than what he'll ever make from plugin sales.

He's one of my favorite composers. Dune-Part 2 turned out great.

[SebAV]

Or maybe a Memorymoog? Or I'm imagining things.

[TANGENT] Back in the 70s day AFAIK he didn't use any Moogs, though I'm sure he has at some point in the last 5 decades.

But he certainly had a lot of analog synths that drifted like nobody's fat business. I got hold of a copy of the original live radio broadcast of his legendary Concerts In China... it didn't sound much like the (wonderful) record. Tuning all those oscillators with a fluctuating power supply - gadzooks. [/TANGENT]

It was a Memorymoog (from 1:32).

Yes, but it’s just for showing off. The 1st Moog which appeared in a record is a Moog 55 in the Zoolook record in 1984. And I can’t help thinking it’s just to have one of the 1st synth besides the top-notch synths (and the more expensive) of that time, that samplers and especially the Fairlight

[agharta]

It's an unnecessary comparison, anyway, and certainly OT for this thread. Hans Zimmer wouldn't be messing with The Legend HZ if it didn't carve out its own space (he doesn't need the money, after all).

His weekly vets fees are enough to bankrupt most small nations.
Every time u-he sell a license, he gets paid with yet another Zebra.
He's so poor that he couldn't afford to rent a tuxedo for the Oscars, so they did a video call instead but his clothes were in the wash so he answered in his dressing gown.

[chk071]

Or maybe a Memorymoog? Or I'm imagining things.

[TANGENT] Back in the 70s day AFAIK he didn't use any Moogs, though I'm sure he has at some point in the last 5 decades.

But he certainly had a lot of analog synths that drifted like nobody's fat business. I got hold of a copy of the original live radio broadcast of his legendary Concerts In China... it didn't sound much like the (wonderful) record. Tuning all those oscillators with a fluctuating power supply - gadzooks. [/TANGENT]

It was a Memorymoog (from 1:32).

Yes, but it’s just for showing off. The 1st Moog which appeared in a record is a Moog 55 in the Zoolook record in 1984. And I can’t help thinking it’s just to have one of the 1st synth besides the top-notch synths (and the more expensive) of that time, that samplers and especially the Fairlight

I have no idea. I never cared much for him, not my kind of music.

[noiseboyuk]

It was a Memorymoog (from 1:32).

[TANGENT AGAIN]You made me look too - seems like he first got a Memory Moog in 1982 on release, after the Concerts In China. Looks like that video was a gig in 2009. Good on him for still daring to use the dodgy old kit though!

In the video he's playing Oxygene pt II - he originally recorded that in his kitchen in 1976. 8 track, a few synths, a few organs, pan-delaying almost everything. Still sounds brilliant to me.
[/ANOTHER TANGENT]

[zerocrossing]

Ok here you go goal posts moved. 4 Bars of each:

Osc Comparison 2

Again the statement was "screams digital". If the statement was "sounds a little more digital" then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Hyperbole generates reactions.

Again there are differences but none so much that either one screams anything.

This is hilarious, and quietly has been skated over. I'll be straight - at my age I can't tell the slightest difference. I put the WAV into RX Spectral view, and clearly there IS a difference - I can SEE it even though it's subtle. And I don't know which is Dune and which is Legend.
But playing devil's advocate, maybe those differences get magnified by filters and modulations?
Even so, terms like "screams digital" seem ridiculous hyperbole to me. That's KVR, taking almost imperceptable differences and turning them into best / worst plugin ever. The Legend HZ looks and sounds terrific. I have Monark for purity and Diva for expanding on the old limits, and I reckon I'm all good.

Yes as I said there is a difference no matter how minute. Of course the filters etc are going to make a difference in the final sound but as you say "screams digital" seems ridiculous hyperbole to me especially since I've made so many very pleasing analog patches for DUNE 3.

That's why I pushed back against such a nonsensical assertion as "screams digital".

Your test is rubbish, because you are eliminating the main thing that would highlight the differences. This is a very simple test, two sawtooth waves, no detuning, no modulation. The difference is quite pronounced.

https://soundcloud.com/zerocrossing-1/d ... al_sharing

I'll also add that I could have added more drift in to make these even more different, but I didn't.