Kraftur by Soundtheory, a multi band clipper

[SNBeatz]

Can anyone shed any light about why they are limiting their paid for licenses to only 25 years? And what they mean by "This policy has been introduced so that we comply with EU law regarding our licence transfer policy above."

Why would they need to limit the duration of their licences to comply with EU law? I've never heard about this before. Have other developers introduced such policies, perhaps in their "small print", that I should be looking out for, prior to any future purchase? And what EU laws are requiring such policies?

According to my non-lawyer and very brief research, my completely speculative assumption is that the move from perpetual to time-limited licenses is actually what allows them to legally set and collect transfer fees lol. Perpetual licenses would theoretically allow you to give away/resell the license you bought whenever and however you please

The CJEU judgement in Case C-128/11 UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp. says that “An author of software cannot oppose the resale of his ‘used’ licences allowing the use of his programs downloaded from the internet. The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale.”

[h2ogun99]

Good lord. Six pages of people bitching about license transfers. Poor impulse control is a thing. Self-mastery is also a thing.

I heard through the grapevine that SoundTheory released a new plugin. I'd kind of like to hear about it. I suppose I should lower my expectations and just hit up YouTube.

Agree, and now we're on to page seven. We should predict how many pages it takes before people get tired of attempting to be the one who lands the last word. OP should rename this topic and create a new one. Someone wanting to learn about the plugin should not have to mine for the info between the usual KVR noise. Yet we're only a URL away from where meaningful conversations are being made.

It is what KVR has become and why my multi-visits per day have turned to maybe a single visit a week. KVR used to be informative (I've been here since the beginning), and now it is a Groundhog Day of predictable banter. They desperately need to add a way for the same damn discussions that are endless and mind-numbing (by the same 20-30 people?) to happen on a tab called. "Hyper-fixate on price here" - "Beat a lifeless horse" - "Meh, Underwhelming Update" - "Share how you plan on buying it later for $29"

It is comical but I do feel sorry for KVR. They don't deserve the reputation it now has. I'll check back in a week or two...

L

[vanerio]

Good lord. Six pages of people bitching about license transfers. Poor impulse control is a thing. Self-mastery is also a thing.

I heard through the grapevine that SoundTheory released a new plugin. I'd kind of like to hear about it. I suppose I should lower my expectations and just hit up YouTube.

Agree, and now we're on to page seven. We should predict how many pages it takes before people get tired of attempting to be the one who lands the last word. OP should rename this topic and create a new one. Someone wanting to learn about the plugin should not have to mine for the info between the usual KVR noise. Yet we're only a URL away from where meaningful conversations are being made.

It is what KVR has become and why my multi-visits per day have turned to maybe a single visit a week. KVR used to be informative (I've been here since the beginning), and now it is a Groundhog Day of predictable banter. They desperately need to add a way for the same damn discussions that are endless and mind-numbing (by the same 20-30 people?) to happen on a tab called. "Hyper-fixate on price here" - "Beat a lifeless horse" - "Meh, Underwhelming Update" - "Share how you plan on buying it later for $29"

It is comical but I do feel sorry for KVR. They don't deserve the reputation it now has. I'll check back in a week or two...

L

I have not yet commented on this thread....
but:
1. Could you explain why it bothers you when people discuss the software licenses they are potentially going to buy?
2. Is there a problem with discussing the industry and the changes that are happening in license types?
3. Should users / customers accept everything without question or debate in public speaking forums?

[Kretch]

Personally, when a new plugin comes out, I get excited and really want to know what this plugin can do, what are the pros and cons, does it have similarities with other plugins or is it unique, does it enhance certain workflows, does it pair well with other commonly used plugins etc

Of course, software licenses, DAW compatibilities, pricing or tyrannical developers are matters to be discussed as well, though, when this overshadows the above, where would one go to read on the things above?

I personally think it would be absolutely amazing if KVR could include within the forum settings, a required check (when posting) for either the post being plug-in related, pricing related, policy related etc. Then one when reading through a thread, could select the section they'd like to see and read that only. It saves time (for busier folks) and creates a more focused environment for the reader. Of course, one could just select Show All to read everything if that would be what one desires.

[Dr.Gunjah]

Agree, and now we're on to page seven. We should predict how many pages it takes before people get tired of attempting to be the one who lands the last word. OP should rename this topic and create a new one. Someone wanting to learn about the plugin should not have to mine for the info between the usual KVR noise. Yet we're only a URL away from where meaningful conversations are being made.

It is what KVR has become and why my multi-visits per day have turned to maybe a single visit a week. KVR used to be informative (I've been here since the beginning), and now it is a Groundhog Day of predictable banter. They desperately need to add a way for the same damn discussions that are endless and mind-numbing (by the same 20-30 people?) to happen on a tab called. "Hyper-fixate on price here" - "Beat a lifeless horse" - "Meh, Underwhelming Update" - "Share how you plan on buying it later for $29"

It is comical but I do feel sorry for KVR. They don't deserve the reputation it now has. I'll check back in a week or two...

L

I think this thread is very informative. Not so much about the plugin, but learning about the devs take on a company/customer relationship and the transfer policy/license expiration (which is basically a loophole) casts doubt whether I should support them.
Cool for you if you don't care about stuff like that, but this is a discussion platform. If you just want to consume content, head over to youtube. Or, well you know, demo it yourself and share your experience here with us instead of complaining about complainers.

[kritikon]

Similar here. I have never sold a plugin license or bought one 2nd hand but doesn't mean I won't ever in the future. So I don't really have any skin in the game, but this thread is very informative to me about the character of the company. And it doesn't sound like a company I would ever want to support with my money. In the same way I used to buy Sony gear many many years ago, but their obnoxious treatment of customers and despisement thereof means I now will literally never buy anything from Sony ever again. Never in my lifetime. Even if they are the preeminent product in a category, I'll buy something inferior rather than give those Canutes my money (it goes back to the days when DAT was a thing decades ago).

It all reads like a company that dismisses and despises its customers. I read all the replies from the dev to give him a fair hearing and my only response is...WTF? Gobbledygook shit, obfuscating a policy that gives a rather large middle finger to the customer. How can it be read any other way? So yeah, an informative thread that gave me a heads up to avoid at all costs. Even if I would never on-sell...I don't particularly want to feel like supporting any company that sees me as a swindling cheat and an idiot before I even bought the fkn thing.

[Ploki]

How is the Aliasing on this Plugin. Also, I dont see any Plugin-Doctor Pics and already searched the whole thread?

Phase looks mangled even in singleband, I suspect aa filter is not linearphase (nothing wrong with that but worth noting)

[Kretch]

Hehe. This feels like an episode of the Acolyte now.

“We are maannnyyyyy!”

[midi sentinel]

It is comical but I do feel sorry for KVR. They don't deserve the reputation it now has. I'll check back in a week or two...

L

And what reputation would that be, and where/among whom?

Reputation of being possibly the last place where users/customers can discuss issues with vendors/developers, without having their posts/threads removed as to not offend (potential) advertisers?

That reputation?

[bmanic]

I personally think it would be absolutely amazing if KVR could include within the forum settings, a required check (when posting) for either the post being plug-in related, pricing related, policy related etc. Then one when reading through a thread, could select the section they'd like to see and read that only. It saves time (for busier folks) and creates a more focused environment for the reader. Of course, one could just select Show All to read everything if that would be what one desires.

This would indeed be an awesome feature. To be able to tag a post you are creating to specify if it is offtopic or something else and then readers could sort by created tags. Good idea! It would require users to create those tags but it could be a start.

[bmanic]

It is comical but I do feel sorry for KVR. They don't deserve the reputation it now has. I'll check back in a week or two...

L

The reputation of KvR is we'll deserved as one of the last vestiges of an UNCENSORED forum that isn't an echo chamber!! If you want to be in an echo chamber full of spineless yes-men, go somewhere else.

[Kretch]

I personally think it would be absolutely amazing if KVR could include within the forum settings, a required check (when posting) for either the post being plug-in related, pricing related, policy related etc. Then one when reading through a thread, could select the section they'd like to see and read that only. It saves time (for busier folks) and creates a more focused environment for the reader. Of course, one could just select Show All to read everything if that would be what one desires.

This would indeed be an awesome feature. To be able to tag a post you are creating to specify if it is offtopic or something else and then readers could sort by created tags. Good idea! It would require users to create those tags but it could be a start.

Yeah. Like on Reddit, in some communities, in order to create a new post, you have to select a tag from a list. If something like that could be implemented here, that would be really convenient. On busy days, you could just select what you'd like to consume, and when some free time comes along, then it's time to microwave some popcorn and just scroll through everything.

[Ploki]

Ok so all the license crap aside, i have -conceptual- issues with multiband clippers because clipping is done on the waveform - splitting it and clipping band-split parts really defeats the purpose of clipping in my opinion, because reconstructed waveform is never clipped, that's why i was never particularly interested in multiband clippers because I generally use clipper as means of chopping off peaks to make the following dynamic processing less pronounced.

I tried this against OVC-128, in single-band mode, i prefer OVC-128. In multiband mode, i couldn't really push it harder than OVC-128 in singleband and didn't get much more headroom.
However, it prompted me to throw OVC-128 into PatchWork and made an ad-hoce 3-band clipper and i could actually push it a bit further than just using OVC-128 or Kraftur.

As far as aliasing goes, this thing doesn't look pretty. This is a 10dB clip, OVC vs Kraftur in single band.


What I like about Kraftur:
- pretty cool sounding
- compensated gain biasing per band

What I don't like about Kraftur:
- not a great mixbus clipper, imo they should ditch the "mixbus" thing not make it their first thing, and their first review for "mastering". Imo there are better mastering clippers out there
- there's no option for linearphase anti-aliasing and how much oversampling, when mastering, i need and want control over these things.
- no control over Knee PER BAND, and even at "hardest settings the thing is a very soft clipper, again, for mastering, not enough control.


So to me it feels like something that wants to be a mastering clipper but really isn't. In my opinion it's more of a distortion unit.
If you have a decent clipper and a multiband distortion i think you're covered

[El°HYM]

Ok, I really need to check this against KClip 3 then. Much Love to Ploki for contributing his no nonsense Insights.

[pekbro]

From the dev over at GS about crossovers:

'What you're seeing there is mostly a linear phase response with some deviation at around 15Hz where the internal high pass filter rolls off. There are no negative consequences to this behaviour for mastering'