Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[jens]

One theoretical question still are you sure the eq you use doesn't create phase issue ?

Why would it create any phase cancellations? There's no delay after all....

[hurricaneaudiolab]

I like the spirit of creating combinators to do cool things, but this combinator is just a different way of doing things and not an emulation of the stereo tool in R13 at all, which is what I was looking forward to seeing specifically, that's all.

[crimsonwarlock]

One theoretical question still are you sure the eq you use doesn't create phase issue ?

The question about phase issues is about summing down to mono, without creating phase issues. As you probably know, the phase shift created by a filter, is canceled with the exact same filter in the opposite direction. Now look at the two EQs at maximum spread: you'll see that each band position in the left channel, has the opposite setting in the right channel. So, summing those (to mono) will automatically cancel the phase shifts as well. Result, no phase issues when listened to in mono.

Besides that, use something to sum to mono after the setup with two EQs, and switch the EQs to bypass and back (easy in a combinator) and you will hear absolute no difference. This is the same 'proof' that Reason Studios give, as Mattias explained, that is why there is a mono-button on the new stereo effect. It sums back to mono after the effect stage.

[crimsonwarlock]

Why would it create any phase cancellations? There's no delay after all....

Filters do create phase shifts. Tools like plugin-doctor will show this. There are ways around it, like what is used in minimal-phase EQs, but that brings other problems.

... not an emulation of the stereo tool in R13 at all

No, it is not a straight emulation. Yes, it creates a stereo effect based on the same idea as stereo tool, being the left/right separation of frequency bands. You seem to think that the RS stereo tool is some sort of holy grail in creating stereo... spoiler alert: it is not.

[mholloway]

The new browser is a downgrade afaic. To go from a locked sidebar that never covers your screen to an overlapping window is just nuts to me. And to lose Favorites in the process? It all == Downgrade. I give zero craps about the new tagging system, personally I hate tag-based workloads and I never use them. Mystified by some of these design choices. But it's not my main DAW, so....phew.

[aMUSEd]

The new browser is a downgrade afaic. To go from a locked sidebar that never covers your screen to an overlapping window is just nuts to me. And to lose Favorites in the process? It all == Downgrade. I give zero craps about the new tagging system, personally I hate tag-based workloads and I never use them. Mystified by some of these design choices. But it's not my main DAW, so....phew.

I don't hate tags but certainly don't like Popup browsers that create screen clutter and the loss of favourites is crazy

[crimsonwarlock]

I give zero craps about the new tagging system, personally I hate tag-based workloads and I never use them.

I don't hate tags...

I was actually looking forward to a full-blown tagging system, so I could use MY tags to tag MY stuff. As it turned out, you can't make your own tags (at least for now), and the provided tags are full of inconsistencies and shortsighted assumptions, making the new browser completely useless for me.

[gentleclockdivider]

One theoretical question still are you sure the eq you use doesn't create phase issue ?

Why would it create any phase cancellations? There's no delay after all....

99% of filters are literally build from delay lines
Ever seen that z-1 symbol in a filter diagram , well that's a 1 unit sample delay line

[Jac459]

One theoretical question still are you sure the eq you use doesn't create phase issue ?

The question about phase issues is about summing down to mono, without creating phase issues. As you probably know, the phase shift created by a filter, is canceled with the exact same filter in the opposite direction. Now look at the two EQs at maximum spread: you'll see that each band position in the left channel, has the opposite setting in the right channel. So, summing those (to mono) will automatically cancel the phase shifts as well. Result, no phase issues when listened to in mono.

Besides that, use something to sum to mono after the setup with two EQs, and switch the EQs to bypass and back (easy in a combinator) and you will hear absolute no difference. This is the same 'proof' that Reason Studios give, as Mattias explained, that is why there is a mono-button on the new stereo effect. It sums back to mono after the effect stage.

Great!

[LaLivre]

Can you talk further in an extra thread about this filter stereo thing and return back to topic please?

[hurricaneaudiolab]

Back to topic with an updated poll:

[eerie_audio]

Can you talk further in an extra thread about this filter stereo thing and return back to topic please?

[mdx4ever]

More I play with it the more I love it

[crimsonwarlock]

When I first saw Ryan's video introducing R13, I knew something wasn't sitting right. When all you can come up with as a sales-pitch slogan for your new major upgrade release is "Your sound, faster"...

[db3]

Just cancelled my free trial after checking R13 out. Interesting survey followed which included questions about pricing and plugin version.

e.g.
"4. What would you consider to be a fair monthly price for Reason+?"

"5. In your opinion, how likely would you have been to continue using Reason+ if a more affordable option, with only the Reason Rack Plugin (no DAW), had been available?"