Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[gentleclockdivider]

Hundreds of Rack Extensions are modelled in 3D, so a lot of the work is already done.

Apparently you have never modelled anything in 3D
All the rack extensions are skeuomorphic 2d with a bit of dropshadow under the knobs
It doesn't matter if this render is done in photoshop /Blender/max etc.. , it's still not 3d because there is no XYZ space , just XY space

[Jac459]

How about experience? We don't 'think' R13 is a disaster, we experienced it first hand, and to many (including myself) it IS a disaster. Especially when Reason is your main DAW, and you've implemented a workflow around it for years (including myself).

Sad to see that even you think it is a disaster as if I remember well you are a long time user and supporter of Reason DAW...

I'm indeed, and still, a supporter of the Reason DAW, as long as we talk about pre-R13 versions. It is indeed sad to see where this is going. They (Reason Studios) were always very vocal about taking the time to do things the right way, but this R13 release is obviously not about doing things 'the right way'. They took away functionality that is used by a large part of the Reason user-base (as evidenced by this being central to almost all recent Reason-discussions on many music-forums), how is that possible if you 'take the time to do things right'. And giving us a tagging system where you can't define your own tags (yes, I would like to have a FUNCTIONAL tagging system), so it is basically in the conceptual stage and not actually ready to be used in a (music)production environment.

The bottom-line, for me, is that I would happily drop 200 euros for R13, even with the rather minimal additions, if they had done it 'right'. Meaning, no show-stopping bugs (in that regard the current version is still beta-status), original workflow features still intact, and new stuff added in a way that honors existing workflows (and existing users).

I don't think their next quarterly will smell like roses.

Thanks for the detailed answer. I was very hopeful when they fixed R12 with the authentication problems, vst3 support and apple silicon support and the release of the wonderful objekt (that I still use actively). But with the speed of development they have (super slow), it is annoying when an update is going in the wrong direction.
Bitwig had a similar story with a new browser that wasn't really bringing any value BUT, it was inside a ground breaking new version with a ton of new life changing features. Plus in the case of bitwig, major releases are every 6 months, not 4 years, so if one is missed it is no big deal.

[Jac459]

Of course it's a disaster, everything they've done has been a disaster since the previous management's disastrous decision to insist they would never support VSTs forced them to sell Propellerheads to hedge fund ghouls who renamed it 'Reason Studios' and hired a suit with zero previous connection to the industry or music in general who's only prior management was running a very well capitalized telecom startup into the ground in six months.

Six months for a startup isn’t a bad first try. This is the type of person who could one day run a multibillion dollar company into the ground and walk away with 300 million dollars. You have to nurture that type of talent and that requires intermediate stops along the way. We should feel privileged that Reason is one of those stops.

Maybe next Boeing CEO?

[Jac459]

For me it isn't a disaster as I am an RRP user. This is just a release which has no interest for me and wasn't targeting RRP users.

The disaster is that it isn't really targeting the DAW users either - what's even worse is that it breaks existing (decade old) workflows and they even actually removed features/functionality.

They basically tried reinventing the wheel (a beautyfully working one at that) - and failed.

Yeah that's what it seems. I have not used reason as DAW for too long to judge but I easily believe you.

Again, what a shame.. .

[Pepin]

Hundreds of Rack Extensions are modelled in 3D, so a lot of the work is already done.

Apparently you have never modelled anything in 3D
All the rack extensions are skeuomorphic 2d with a bit of dropshadow under the knobs
It doesn't matter if this render is done in photoshop /Blender/max etc.. , it's still not 3d because there is no XYZ space , just XY space

In the early years of the RE SDK, it was required to submit 3D assets to Propellerhead rather than simple 2D renders. This was done to give the rack a consistent appearance (lighting, shadows, etc.).
Eventually, this was abandoned and only high res 2D assets were required. But that's where the idea of REs being 3D is coming from.

[omnitron]

And as far as I know, most RE's are already modelled in 3D.

That requirement was dropped in 2015, and the 3D pipeline was deprecated in 2020.

Oh okay, that's interesting. Didn't know that.

Dang dude - you're one of the select few who make it onto my mute list - your silly off topic nonsense isn't even entertaining...

Still mad at me? Did I hurt your feelings that much?
How old are you? 12?

[jclosed]

After reading all this I am a bit disappointed. I get it that people are not willing to pay that hefty sum for an upgrade.
I still think they made a big mistake by not longer selling the Reason Intro version with a possibility to upgrade to the full version. That would have attracted a lot of new people. For a mere €80 that Intro version was very affordable, and could be used as long as people wished.

Compare that to the Intro+ subscription. Yes, you get all stuff, but you pay €20 a month (€250 a year), and if you stop paying, you loose everything. And you cannot longer buy that Intro version, so you have to fork out €500 if you do not want a subscription (and for that money you only get a bare bone program without all extra's ), so it's €250 a year for not owning anything, or €500 for a full, but slimmed down, version of Reason. No other choices possible. That sounds like a bad deal to be honest.

Let's face it. People already have a lot of subscriptions, and are not willing to add another one on top of that. They also do not have €500 laying around. But €80 for a Intro version that you can use as long as you wish without any extra costs could persuade a lot of people. I would not mind paying €80 for a cut-down version that I can use without any monthly pay and without breaking the bank.

I think there will be a lot of people that will disagree with me, but I purely look at myself and what I (as a average guy) would be willing to pay.

[jens]

I still think they made a big mistake by not longer selling the Reason Intro version with a possibility to upgrade to the full version. That would have attracted a lot of new people. For a mere €80 that Intro version was very affordable, and could be used as long as people wished.

Absolutely! I had been recommending it to my vocal-teacher and she was quite interested - but just while she was in thre process of checking it out they decided to remove it. I'm pretty sure she would have purchased Intro and there was a good chance that she might have ended upgrading. But there was zero chance for her to purchase the full version outright.

For a lot of people it's not about the money itself but more about the question whether they'll really end up making good use of the software. (And who likes to throw money in the wind?)
An inexpensive feature-reduced version is always a good way to get people hooked. Sure, there's the chance they'll end up being perfectly content with that version and thus sticking with it - but it's absurd to assume that all of these are going to spend the big money for the full version because that's the only one there is.

[Greenstorm33]

Not to mention that the cut down version lets you buy REs and use them in another DAW without spending $500 or $200 a year on a DAW you’re not going to use. They’ve certainly left money on the table by failing to provide a way to do that.

[imrae]

I bought Intro to play with Rack Extensions and Combinators, then upgraded to full version later. Was not tempted to buy full version at full price, so the strategy worked.

I won't be upgrading until there is a good sale on; just like the previous version.

I've bought REAPER upgrades ASAP a couple of times now; the number is less scary and the value is undeniable.

[wibblywobblywomble]

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[xbitz]

It's not nice to beat a dead horse

[hurricaneaudiolab]

It's not nice to beat a dead horse

[xbitz]

This just shows that 13 is not a lucky number, Biwig doesn't even use it

[jjpscott01]

I'm loving Reason 13. Upgraded on day one and haven't touched another DAW since it was released. Reason is a blast and 13 is as smooth as its ever been to me personally.