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razornaut · Post by **razornaut** » Sun Jul 14, 2024 8:49 pm

I am very sorry if this has been asked in the past but cursorily searching, nothing came up. I suspect this is rather niche: is there a way to set the timeline to start from 0 instead of 1? So that the start point is effectively 0.1.000. Hopefully this makes sense, and if not, I've attached what would be the ideal.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:24 am

No such option, sorry.

nenneb · Post by **nenneb** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:58 am

Would like that too! +1

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:10 pm

It wouldn't make sense. The first bar in a piece is bar 1. It's never been called bar 0 in any musical notation I've seen.

razornaut · Post by **razornaut** » Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:58 pm

No worries; one can but ask. Cheers for the reply. I guess it's a preference that I haven't shaken from years with trackers back in the day. Something which I immediately configured in Studio One when I moved to it a while back (more of a time code thing, than strictly bars). Now with good support for VST3, I'm playing a lot more with MuLab and it's taking some time to get used to it.

nenneb · Post by **nenneb** » Tue Jul 16, 2024 9:40 am

pljones wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:10 pm It wouldn't make sense. The first bar in a piece is bar 1. It's never been called bar 0 in any musical notation I've seen.

Thats true on one hand ... but it's not uncommon to have an incomplete starting-bar ("Auftakt" in German):

With such things my workaround is to start the song at 5 ... but it would be pretty nice to start at 0.1.000!!!

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Tue Jul 16, 2024 5:10 pm

The upbeat is still in bar 1 - just the two beat rest isn't shown. And the one beat rest in bar eight isn't shown, either.

nenneb · Post by **nenneb** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 5:53 am

Come on, pljones, I'm sure you know better!
As I'm not a native English-speaker i choosed a most simple sample on the internet, mostly because of the red colered upbeat to explain what I mean.
Maybe you like this example better, a well known 16bar-melody with an upbeat:

fde101 · Post by **fde101** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:17 pm

The technical name for a lead-in bar is evidently an "Anacrusis" and those notes are not considered to be part of the first measure (bar) and so would precede measure 1. Numbering them as 0 seems completely logical to me.

A quick search found this as one example:

https://ihsma.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ... asures.pdf

Here is another:

https://musictheoryde-mystified.com/b12 ... ckup-bars/

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:28 pm

Counting In

When starting a piece, it’s always good to count a bar at the intended tempo before starting to play. In an ensemble this is essential, so everyone can come in on time, but even for solo playing, it helps to establish the tempo and time signature in your mind before you start.

For a partial bar, count a complete bar followed by the unwritten part of the bar. This ensures that you can feel the rhythmic structure correctly.

Based on the above, you'd get the count in, then "bar zero" starting and, just before "bar one" you'd start. If you're writing musical score with bar number notation included, then I'd agree it's essential. In a sequencer, I'd find it more confusing than helpful. You use loop markers to mark where the phrase starts. The "current bar" could be anywhere, as different loops could start in different places with different amounts of lead in. So there's no real idea of sequential bar number with a sequence, only in the overall playback - and that's entirely based on how long the playback head has been moving rather than anything else at all.

nenneb · Post by **nenneb** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:59 pm

Why not let the user choose?
Either by a preference-setting or via right click into the ruler ...

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:59 pm

I can see the sense in that - similar to the loop start marker.

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