Best reverbs !?

[whyterabbyt]

Ok, what's the bestness in reverb for u? Let's define the terms. Substantiate your choice. Why vss4? Due to no comb filtering in mono + trnasparent ambiance without fog, almost any standard premises and some limited outdoor spaces can be recreated. It eats 6x more cpu than vss3 and obviously there are reasons for that. Relab? Totally cheap! With their 480 emulation you can't get anywhere. Reverberate2 by liquidsonics was good unlike castrated v3 but it uses irs - it's as good as irs are good but most irs in internet are not good and compromise ir technology indeed. If you take your own irs by hand clapping it will become apperent. Valhalla is flat and foggy, not even close to those reverbs from 2006. Actually i think rayspace is the only scientific reverb which beats all other reverbs by vastness of its possibilities. It's diffuse tail is a bit harsh but in all other aspects nothing even comes close. If the developer could also create modes like water instead of air between baffles ie changing sound speed, non linearity of sound propagation due to liquidic properties, also soil, metals instead of air custom input fields for speed of sound, media properties and properties of baffles themselves, realtime modulation of scatter, then his vst would be the ultimate reverb for ages. Scientific approach is the only correct one. For some reason that reverb is no longer available on his site. It does not really matter if it was only 32-bit. It's still the best reverb even without support of non-gas media. Unlike other reverbs it can create landscapes. Other reverbs are very limited in that aspect.
Old reverb pantheon by lexicon in certain aspects beats such reverbs as vss3, orilriver, kr-reverb fs and etc of that level. Produced in 2003 it still gives fantastic result - put it 100% wet and there is no metallicity at all, and in mono it also sounds almost without comb filtering. So, old plugins imho were just better and by the way vss4 algo was developed in 90s for their hardware system 6000/4000.

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[whyterabbyt]

Guys from oldschooldaw.com would disagree with you strongly. And they would be right. Because if reverb can't emulate real spaces it can't emulate anything because it means it can't create normal early reflections. Super clean tails already were in vss4 algo in 90s. Just turn off early for tail. Even vss3 had super clean tail. Those answers do not describe technical terms but look like amateurs' discussion what they like to do on sundays. The word 'clean' does not describe anything. There is parameter c80 describing reverb's denseness or how much it enfogs the dry sound and this parameter is usually the diffusion knob. Reverbs with higher c80 are more transparent. That parameter can be measured by vst plugin analyzer. What really makes a reverb outstanding is its ability to generate early reflections to shape the landscape,not just giving dumb tail with high c80. Tail itself can be made more transparent by less wetness vs dry signal. More impotant is degree of flutter echo and grainyness in tail. Grainyness can be supressed by shorter rt60 for highs but flutter echo cannot and it discloses if the given algorithm is good or bad. The highly promoted orilriver is worse than free kr-reverb fs for those 2 parameters and as i have said pantheon has no flutter echo and grainyness totally. Vss3 supports presets from tc m4000. There you may find some presets that sound like adaptiverb's capability to turn sound into dreamy pads i.e. vss3 and vss4 can produce not only real spaces but also those cheap synthetic long tails from valhalla like plugins but with much higher quality and much more subtle tuning features and it dates back to 90s. Forthat reason the guy above could not find replacement for old cubase reverb. Study tails for artifacts using stacatto notes of saw waves to determine flaws of reverbs. I totally reject plugins like valhalla,voxengo and other cheap promoted in every pub stuff. Those are amateur programmers without long standing experience and secrets that corporations like tc have had. All they can do is trying their best to fight against metallicity in reverbs i.e. solving some primitive first order tasks as they have no understanding for more harder to figure out things which are knowhow inside corporations and were handed down from fathers to children. For that reason most free or cheap stuff is low quality including infamouse freeverb2 from dreampoint from 2000 which was claimed to be first free pro quality reverb but it has never been such.

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[whyterabbyt]

The best is vss4 nowadays.

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[martiu]

sorry but i compared blackhole immersive with top tier reverbs i have and it won so you can buy and be sure that you have best reverb

[osiris]

I love Protoverb. I always use Raum, Valhalla, LOVE Neoverb but high latency. Only reverb I know that listens to what's on it then puts up a tweakable preset. I also Microfuse which is a combo reverb/delay.

[dastewart]

Well, not going to pretend that I've tried every single reverb plugin so therefore it's difficult to say what is "best" but I've ended up using the Liquidsonics reverbs pretty much exclusively. Seventh Heaven was my gateway into that world and still rates very highly for sound vs ease of use but I tend to use Seventh Heaven Pro and Cinematic Rooms Pro on every mix.

I've been tempted over the years by lots of other plugins but when I demo them I always decide that I've already got something better.

[concealed identity]

LOVE Neoverb but high latency. Only reverb I know that listens to what's on it then puts up a tweakable preset.

I'm really curious how this works and what it actually does, because for me, the type of sound doesn't really have any bearing on how I use reverb on it. For example, I might want a vocal to sound washed out and in the background, or I might want something closer to studio ambiance. Or, I might want a clap to have a huge dubbed out reverb tail, or I might want a short one so it blends in better with a snare. Consider me intrigued by Neoverb now.

[aMUSEd]

Not sure about 'best' reverb but this one certainly makes everything sound beautiful

https://shop.soundbetter.com/butterfly-effect/

On sale right now

[osiris]

I just tried Crystalline and really like it. Much more an Fx reverb.

[WackyZoundz]

Just curious: Which reverbs sound similar to u-he's Protoverb?

[El°HYM]

HoRNet - Spaces, might be similar.

[Funky40]

you´re all boring !


and the "savest bet" on Reverbs is Liquid Sonics.

...."savest bet"


Whats "best" IS finally case and taste sensitiv.
Period


otherwise: Aries Verb !
but oh well, it´s such a sad story........no preset loading for me, no CC mapping either. And no major dude would pick up on it, overtake the remains, and bring it back into *real live*.
BUT SOMEONE SHOULD !


( had to post, to fullfill my juli quota, haha )

[WackyZoundz]

Aries Verb !

The best reverb that never left the beta stage...

[osiris]

That and Glace Verb.

[masterhiggins]

It really is amazing how not a single reverb from the first post is currently in development. Most of the companies don’t even exist anymore.