Waldorf MicroWave as a plugin?

[chk071]

My experience with Waldorf software hasn't been good, so I'm going to keep my expectations low.

I wouldn't even consider it until they fix the stuff they've already got out.

Going to add my voice to the chorus on this particular sentiment. I bought Largo 2 on launch and have been disappointed in the lack of bug fixes. At the time I wasn't aware of Waldorf's long history of basically abandoning their software after release.

I wouldn't say they "abandon" their software after release, but, with the recent releases, there have been very few updates indeed. Largo v1 got loads of updates in comparison.

[zerocrossing]

I’d be very wary of buying software from Waldorf. They are slow to fix bugs, and additions are not their thing. I had to laugh at their Largo v2 upgrade. $50 for an extra filter and a UI that could be used on a modern monitor? Most developers consider things like that a free update. Then when it went on sale, I paid for the upgrade, and had to argue with them because they didn’t have a record of my purchase.

[GruvSyco]

I'd rather see them develop a plugin platform that runs in parity with their Quantum/Iridium and the M. Those product lines seem to be getting updates. I freakin love Waldorf but they do not instill much confidence in me as a plugin buyer.

[gearwatcher]

8 bit wavetables through the CEM 3389 filter chip is very special and the reason the Rev A is more popular than the Rev B.

Curtis filters have already been taken on by multiple developers, and there's more than one sampler out there emulating legacy sample reconstruction hardware (Arturia's, TAL's, Amigo to name a few). Heck SurgeXT has a wavetable mode doing something very similar, as well as a number of modelled filters.

Getting it good enough for people who believe in pixie dust in particular revisions of a particular product is a futile endeavour anyway, and all these companies know better. I am personally more in the "who needs yet another wavetable plugin" b2b "Waldorf sucks balls at software" camp.

[chk071]

I’d be very wary of buying software from Waldorf. They are slow to fix bugs, and additions are not their thing. I had to laugh at their Largo v2 upgrade. $50 for an extra filter and a UI that could be used on a modern monitor?

It's even worse. It's a whooping 162 € when you don't own Largo v1. I agree that that's a very bad upgrade. Especially the GUI is a huge step down from the one in Largo 1. I don't understand how, with the standard of quality Waldorf surely have, they could approve such an upgrade.

If this is really a software version of the microWave though (again, I believe it when I see it), then it's pretty much a must buy for me though. Unless it's 162 €, then I'll probably wait for a sale.

[drsyncenstein]

8 bit wavetables through the CEM 3389 filter chip is very special and the reason the Rev A is more popular than the Rev B.

Curtis filters have already been taken on by multiple developers, and there's more than one sampler out there emulating legacy sample reconstruction hardware (Arturia's, TAL's, Amigo to name a few). Heck SurgeXT has a wavetable mode doing something very similar, as well as a number of modelled filters.

Are you sure about that? For the 3389 I know only one, from Cherry.
Advertised with "CEM3389 FILTER is a low-pass filter with 24dB/octave slope module based on CEM filter chip CEM3389 very similar to the classic Oberheim filter sound."
And that's the biggest bullshit in the world. None of the classic Oberheims had a filter like the 3389. They had an early CEM chip that sounds pretty different.

A sampler like TAL is not using wavetables, it won't give the same results.
Not debating the value of the synths you mention, but they don't come near what a Microwave sounds like. And that's coming from someone who does not even like it.

[El°HYM]

Even Waldorf wont be able to nail the MW Rev A - filter in the digital world. They never did; yet still offering some of the very best digital filters around.

[IvyBirds]

Are you sure about that? For the 3389 I know only one, from Cherry.
Advertised with "CEM3389 FILTER is a low-pass filter with 24dB/octave slope module based on CEM filter chip CEM3389 very similar to the classic Oberheim filter sound."

FWIW not a Wavetable but the Arturia Prophet VS V has a modeled 3389 filter in it

[drsyncenstein]

Not to be a wiseass, but do we know what Arturia modelled? Because the VS had multiple revisions and the 3389 is only on the last revision. I could not find it in the manual, but the website says:
Emulated Curtis 3379 4-pole low-pass ladder filter and VCA
https://www.arturia.com/products/softwa ... v/overview
Whether it's accurate or not, or if it matters at all, is very much up for debate.
Fun part is the Microwave also had two analog filter revisions; B used the CEM 3387

[egbert101]

Remember this nonsense from way back in 2021?



https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2021 ... ooth-2021/

[mothra]

Remember this nonsense from way back in 2021?



https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2021 ... ooth-2021/

What was nonsense? Shortly after the Waldorf M came out and everybody was drooling over it as they should have been..

[egbert101]

Ahh yes, welcome back Waldorf M, which never existed.

[zerocrossing]

Ahh yes, welcome back Waldorf M, which never existed.

Wut?

[Shabdahbriah]

Ahh yes, welcome back Waldorf M, which never existed.

Wut?

I suspect he is fixated on the 'past tense' terms used, and speculative nature of a reissue, rather than something "other":

the red button is reminiscent of controls on the classic Waldorf Wave, along with the Microwave, the Q and and other synths.

[christian f.]

8 bit wavetables through the CEM 3389 filter chip is very special and the reason the Rev A is more popular than the Rev B.

Curtis filters have already been taken on by multiple developers, and there's more than one sampler out there emulating legacy sample reconstruction hardware (Arturia's, TAL's, Amigo to name a few). Heck SurgeXT has a wavetable mode doing something very similar, as well as a number of modelled filters.

Getting it good enough for people who believe in pixie dust in particular revisions of a particular product is a futile endeavour anyway, and all these companies know better. I am personally more in the "who needs yet another wavetable plugin" b2b "Waldorf sucks balls at software" camp.

If this is all futile and pixie dust then why bother with anything ? All you need is your DAW's stock plug ins and record everything through the built in input of your computer. You can make great music with pretty much everything nowadays, but that doesn't mean that there IS a difference that matters for people that appreciate the finer aspects of sound. I rather have no mw 1 than a mw 1 rev B and I rather have no MS 20 than an MS 20 MK2 the difference is THAT big to me. In case of the hardware Oberheim polys, I sold them all in favor of the Gforce OBX plugin, the first emulation that got it right for me.