Roland Cloud

[Jon at Roland]

Hey y'all, I want to clear the air about a few things. With Sound Canvas being discontinued, I want to dispel the idea that our other instruments would follow suit in terms of being too out of date to continue service in the same way as Sound Canvas. Sound Canvas is the only piece of software with this particular issue. In terms of software being out of date, all of our instruments are built with a different framework from Sound Canvas, as mentioned before. Im sorry if there was any confusion. Anyone that says this or that instrument was made from a similar framework is misinformed.

I also want to make it clear that I don't believe I have ever said that we wouldn't discontinue an instrument, or implied that Sound Canvas would somehow never be discontinued and if I have at any point I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I have tried to be explicit that Sound Canvas has been having issues for a very long time and that we were looking into solutions. I've made disclaimers that the only way we would discontinue an instrument is if we felt we couldn't provide the adequate support due to out of date software or issues beyond our control and that in this case we would make sure it was available to users afterwards in some capacity. This is the most logical solution for everyone. We still have over 50 legendary instruments to mess around with and are currently working on more. If you bought Sound Canvas recently and feel like it's not fair please reach out to us, we are happy to find a way to make it work for.

[Aloysius]

I restarted my computer. Windows 10.
I've been looking at an orange circle for a looooooooooooooooong time.

[Aloysius]

If you bought Sound Canvas recently and feel like it's not fair please reach out to us, we are happy to find a way to make it work for.

Perhaps you should put that in a newsletter as not everybody has an account at the best website in the world (kvr).

[IvyBirds]

Hey y'all, I want to clear the air about a few things. With Sound Canvas being discontinued, I want to dispel the idea that our other instruments would follow suit in terms of being too out of date to continue service in the same way as Sound Canvas. Sound Canvas is the only piece of software with this particular issue. In terms of software being out of date, all of our instruments are built with a different framework from Sound Canvas, as mentioned before.

Jon you are directly contradicting yourself

We have only a few instruments that have the issue with out of date software and Sound Canvas is one of them.

It would be great if you would stop the double speak and just be honest with us. With every post you lose more and more credibility and more and more customers

Either everything is up to date or you have "a few instruments" Sound Canvas being one that are built with out of date software

You made it ABUNDANTLY clear that multiple instruments had "the issue" that Sound Canvas had. What is that issue? And what are those instruments? If we take you at your word there are a "few" instruments with this issue and Sound Canvas is just "one of them" again your words.

You didn't clear the air, instead you have made matters significantly worse, because you are directly contradicting yourself

So either you are not being truthful now and were being truthful before, or you have no real idea what is going on and are just making stuff up as you go along

Either scenario is a very poor reflection of Roland Cloud as a whole, and makes anything you say moving forward highly suspect

[Soundsauca]

Hi there,

I recently had need to reinstall my M1 Mac Studio (various weird stuff going on) and so I put my entire RC back on of course I hadn't played around with the JV1080 for ages so took it for a whirl.

To my surprise I was inundated with clicks/pops. I had to check a few settings to make sure it was the plugin and not some clocking issue elsewhere. Furthermore I launched it on my lesser used Intel MBP 2017 and that played it all perfectly.

I went through all the RC plugins I had and it really came down to the JV/XV series ones exhibiting this issue. Very strange..

My buffer size was the default Logic 128, but even higher CPU usage was spiking up a lot. To me this has to be an plugin optimization issue. I load up something like Omnisphere/Falcon and there's barely any activity.

Can I ask if this is likely to be looked at, as I cannot fathom that the retro rompler of the 90s is this hard to compute on a modern system.

Cheers.

[Mogular]

This problem is common to others including myself, and also includes the SRX plugins as well. I also have an M1 mac studio. Roland, are definitely aware of the problem, but have had issues replicating on their side.
I you really need those sounds and you have access to it, then Zenology includes all those sounds, but that has its own problems with very long loading times if you have all the expansions installed.

[IvyBirds]

This problem is common to others including myself, and also includes the SRX plugins as well.

The SRX series is just the XV5080 plugin with the extra samples from the particular SRX card they are emulating

The JV1080 plugin is just the XV5080 plugin with a different skin

All of the XV5080 derivatives are written on a different platform than the other instruments

They are based on the original early Fantom code from the early 2000s, which was posted to Integrate 7, and then to the plugins

All of these have been rendered obsolete by Zenology in the eyes of Roland Japan and they will all be the next ones on the chopping block, they will never be fixed

[Soundsauca]

Thanks for both of your replies. Hmm. I just realised that Sound Canvas has been chopped, no biggie. However what you say @IvyBirds is a concern.

Yes my machine is Mac Studio M1. Machine is very fast for everything audio related so it's not that I'm sure. Maybe they could all be rolled into Zenology as, as you say it is an updated engine of the same thing. It's the patches that would need to be converted I guess. Atm my laptop can be used for them without issue, but it's not my main machine so..

[Mogular]

If you look at the top of this page you'll see a post from Jon from Roland where he talks a little bit more about this issue.
I'm not sure where IvyBirds got their information from but that's the only time I've ever read what they've said.
Separate to that, I also have an Apple silicon laptop, which works fine with those plugins - I'm the same as you though, it's not my main machine.

[SLiC]

It certainly feels generally like the cloud stuff is being 'rationalised' if not cancelled. I have about 10 of their plugs and would be OK them discontinuing some of them 'IF' they give me the Zenology equivalent FOC...otherwise I will certainly fee a but ripped off...'lifetime keys' as long as your a May Fly!

[Soundsauca]

I think I've got much of the synths that I was after. However, if, for instance a Jupiter 6, V-Synth, or JP-8K etc suddenly turned up I'd be back in, but for now I'm happy with what I have.

The new Space Echo looks interesting, but I've got tape delays covered so!

[TS-12]

Hi there,

I recently had need to reinstall my M1 Mac Studio (various weird stuff going on) and so I put my entire RC back on of course I hadn't played around with the JV1080 for ages so took it for a whirl.

To my surprise I was inundated with clicks/pops. I had to check a few settings to make sure it was the plugin and not some clocking issue elsewhere. Furthermore I launched it on my lesser used Intel MBP 2017 and that played it all perfectly.

I went through all the RC plugins I had and it really came down to the JV/XV series ones exhibiting this issue. Very strange..

My buffer size was the default Logic 128, but even higher CPU usage was spiking up a lot. To me this has to be an plugin optimization issue. I load up something like Omnisphere/Falcon and there's barely any activity.

Can I ask if this is likely to be looked at, as I cannot fathom that the retro rompler of the 90s is this hard to compute on a modern system.

Cheers.

Here someone demonstrated this bug:

[mdx4ever]

Wow, never seen this behaviour on my Mac mini pro 2 with 32gb ram and 1tb ssd….

[Examigan]

https://www.kvraudio.com/focus/roland-c ... -lab-61376

I wish Roland Cloud had a new announcement similar to what's in that news article.

[IvyBirds]

https://www.kvraudio.com/focus/roland-c ... -lab-61376

I wish Roland Cloud had a new announcement similar to what's in that news article.

That will be just another thing that pulls resources away from the Roland Cloud products