What’s on your pedalboard for rehearsals / Donner TT/ amps

[Naillerz78]

There is nothing boxy or weak sounding about a good Tonex capture. Not everyone can make a good Tonex capture.

Yeah dude but that’s an A/B of a recorded amp thru a mic.
I want a nice big quality live-in-the-room sound.
Live it’d most likely sound like I’m playing a recording of amp ,if u know what I mean.
Plugging digital into an amp limits what the actual amp can do Or going thru a dedicated FRFR speaker or PA it sounds too processed /modern imo.
No issues w it for getting a top guitar tone to record music in a DAW.
Hope that makes sense. Those modellers sound different with a drummer/band in the room basically. Most just kinda sound “fake” to me in that context. Cos it’s a recording of an amp. Like a moving audio ‘photograph’ I guess. Too “square” / “sharp” sounding when turned up and at worst “harsh” (esp the dirty sounds)
Maybe for heavy music they excel ? That music is harsher/ more brutal the better really.

I can’t hear from my comparisons how it sounds that different to older gen digital modellers/MFX.
To me , I may as well buy a $50 NUX unit it’s not that different in tonez yknow?

I’m off to guitar shops tmrw they’ll have one I’ll run thru an amp or PA and test it.

[Naillerz78]

Maybe a lil Joyo Bantamp
These look rad

Jackman 2 model


Or atomic (Vox ) model
https://www.joyoaudio.com/product/101.html

Hybrid tube/Ss but only 20W
Are they just toys tho I wonder.
I tried a Vox nanotube micro head once it was rated 50W but twas but a toy that.

Could I boost a BantAmp somehow with a power amp pedal or is that a silly idea.
They sound alright to me (?)

Another one I saw was this 70W pedal
https://shop.hotoneaudio.com/products/m ... eq=uniform

[Uncle E]

What is this u speak of? I’ve lost track of the posts now. An Ox stomp pedal.. is it a modeller and does it need a power amp?
I want something super portable that sounds really good and easy to set up/ dial in fast for rehearsals. For blues-punk-rock sounds. With budgetary constraints. And to plug into a speaker cab or 2 as this will give best sound imo. Not the PA.

The Ox Stomp is for use with an amp. They also make amp-type pedals that are more what you're looking for, though I don't think you'd like them much since they're mainly just amp sounds and almost no effects. They're also quite expensive.

[zerocrossing]

There is nothing boxy or weak sounding about a good Tonex capture. Not everyone can make a good Tonex capture.

Yeah dude but that’s an A/B of a recorded amp thru a mic.
I want a nice big quality live-in-the-room sound.
Live it’d most likely sound like I’m playing a recording of amp ,if u know what I mean.
Plugging digital into an amp limits what the actual amp can do Or going thru a dedicated FRFR speaker or PA it sounds too processed /modern imo.
No issues w it for getting a top guitar tone to record music in a DAW.
Hope that makes sense. Those modellers sound different with a drummer/band in the room basically. Most just kinda sound “fake” to me in that context. Cos it’s a recording of an amp. Like a moving audio ‘photograph’ I guess. Too “square” / “sharp” sounding when turned up and at worst “harsh” (esp the dirty sounds)
Maybe for heavy music they excel ? That music is harsher/ more brutal the better really.

I can’t hear from my comparisons how it sounds that different to older gen digital modellers/MFX.
To me , I may as well buy a $50 NUX unit it’s not that different in tonez yknow?

I’m off to guitar shops tmrw they’ll have one I’ll run thru an amp or PA and test it.

Well, now you’re moving the goalposts by adding the “amp in the room” aspect, but that’s a different story. I can easily get that using room emulation and stereo IRs. I’m also studio bound. My first modeling rig that I built way back when, used two Peavey KB60s and I was satisfied with my live sound, and actually often got compliments from other guitarists who were confused by my weird setup.

But I wasn’t suggesting Tonex as an amp replacement. I was suggesting that you capture, or find captures of, your favorite pedals. The Tonex Max library is full of amazing captures of fuzz, OD, tube preamps, etc. Use it as your all-pedal so you can switch from a TS-9 to a Rat, to a Klon, etc. I personally love the sound of a pushed Fender, and I thought you mentioned that was one of the choices at your rehearsal space.

[Uncle E]

I want a nice big quality live-in-the-room sound.

Live it’d most likely sound like I’m playing a recording of amp ,if u know what I mean.

My current setup, going through the effects return of a combo, gets me that live-in-the-room sound. It was more of "recording of an amp" sound when I was using an FRFR.

Plugging digital into an amp limits what the actual amp can do Or going thru a dedicated FRFR speaker or PA it sounds too processed /modern imo.

How does it limit what the actual amp can do?

Those modellers sound different with a drummer/band in the room basically. Most just kinda sound “fake” to me in that context. Cos it’s a recording of an amp. Like a moving audio ‘photograph’ I guess. Too “square” / “sharp” sounding when turned up and at worst “harsh” (esp the dirty sounds)

I can’t hear from my comparisons how it sounds that different to older gen digital modellers/MFX.
To me , I may as well buy a $50 NUX unit it’s not that different in tonez yknow?

Go for it.

[morelia]

I use a Tech21 Kotzen 2nd version. Upgraded not so long ago from v1. It is surrounded by pedals on a board but if I had to I just take the Kotzen for a jam or practice. If no PA I'd probably take a Peavey Bandit and maybe a delay pedal if I wasn't being lazy.

[pekbro]

I have a quilter superblock (US), it pretty cool too. Solidstate modeling... the new direct amp looks pretty good as well.

https://www.quilterlabs.com/collections ... /directamp

*I have the UA dream and Strymon Iridium also heh, the one I use the most when not using the amp/loadbox rig, is the UA Dream, since its very good and stereo in/out. The Iridium is cool,
but I should prob sell it one of these days, its mono in stereo out.

[Gavincoolguy]

Joyo makes sansamp clones that's where I would look to for a punk sound in a pedal

Edit: I see someone else mentioned sansamp. The joyo versions are cheap enough to give em a whack. Just order some off Amazon and send em back if you hate em.

[Naillerz78]

Yeah I dunno, maybe it's my lack of fondness for anything from IK, but Andy's demo didn't sound overly great to me sound wise. A little flat and dull sounding,

Tbh Andy does some of the best demos .he’s a great player and knows his stuff.
If it sounded flat and dull I reckon that’s just cos how it sounds not his skill in setting up/mixing

[Naillerz78]

What is this u speak of? I’ve lost track of the posts now. An Ox stomp pedal.. is it a modeller and does it need a power amp?
I want something super portable that sounds really good and easy to set up/ dial in fast for rehearsals. For blues-punk-rock sounds. With budgetary constraints. And to plug into a speaker cab or 2 as this will give best sound imo. Not the PA.

The Ox Stomp is for use with an amp. They also make amp-type pedals that are more what you're looking for, though I don't think you'd like them much since they're mainly just amp sounds and almost no effects. They're also quite expensive.

Ah true. Similar to the Iridium pedals I think I’ve seen at a shop that sells Kempers etc.
Very exe indeed

[pekbro]

Yeah I dunno, maybe it's my lack of fondness for anything from IK, but Andy's demo didn't sound overly great to me sound wise. A little flat and dull sounding,

Tbh Andy does some of the best demos .he’s a great player and knows his stuff.
If it sounded flat and dull I reckon that’s just cos how it sounds not his skill in setting up/mixing

Yea I'm familiar with Andy...

[Naillerz78]

Well, now you’re moving the goalposts by adding the “amp in the room” aspect, but that’s a different story. I can easily get that using room emulation and stereo IRs. I’m also studio bound. My first modeling rig that I built way back when, used two Peavey KB60s and I was satisfied with my live sound, and actually often got compliments from other guitarists who were confused by my weird setup.

But I wasn’t suggesting Tonex as an amp replacement. I was suggesting that you capture, or find captures of, your favorite pedals. The Tonex Max library is full of amazing captures of fuzz, OD, tube preamps, etc. Use it as your all-pedal so you can switch from a TS-9 to a Rat, to a Klon, etc. I personally love the sound of a pushed Fender, and I thought you mentioned that was one of the choices at your rehearsal space.

Mmm nope - goalposts were set as rehearsals/gigs from my OP. But It was as a pretty open thread tbh I have veered off a little re modellers. I like stereo Peavey rig - stereo rigs are fantastic
I do love a pushed Fender. What’s ur patch for that using your unit out of interest. I’m not familiar with RE / stereo IRs. Sounds like deep diving / tweaking involved tho I don’t have the patience simply.
Still turning any modeller/ sim/ capture up loud enough to compete with big drums .. I think all suffer sound degradation imo. That’s my crux.

Or ‘Crutch’.. haha

[Naillerz78]

Yeah I dunno, maybe it's my lack of fondness for anything from IK, but Andy's demo didn't sound overly great to me sound wise. A little flat and dull sounding,

Tbh Andy does some of the best demos .he’s a great player and knows his stuff.
If it sounded flat and dull I reckon that’s just cos how it sounds not his skill in setting up/mixing

Yea I'm familiar with Andy...

I know .. jus sayin. If it’s flat and dull sounding there .. that’s cos it probably is IRL.

[Uncle E]

Tbh Andy does some of the best demos .he’s a great player and knows his stuff.
If it sounded flat and dull I reckon that’s just cos how it sounds not his skill in setting up/mixing

Rhett Shull's UAFX video is better than Andy's. I didn't post it for obvious reasons.

[Naillerz78]

Uncle E

My current setup, going through the effects return of a combo, gets me that live-in-the-room sound. It was more of "recording of an amp" sound when I was using an FRFR.

Yea same same w FRFR . And those touted as ‘new realism solution ‘ when released. Were u the guy using Bass amp w 15 speaker? Cool idea
But why not just use the PA then?? Save ur back.

Uncle E

How does it limit what the actual amp can do?

Hmmm well IME, putting a modelling unit into the Front End of amp gives a weird result IME. Say input signal from modeller is eg a cranked Marshall sim - but the amp speaker does not compute or something. speaker doesn’t distort ‘properly /the same ‘as w that big complex, distorted signal from a real Cooking Marshall amp head basically.

resulting EQ curve out of speaker.. ‘weird’ is only word I have. It sits at another peak freq or something technically. (Pure guess words)

Fx loop routing -pretty sure it was the same results /issues w my experiments.(older units granted but.. I don’t see how newer get over dis problemo)

Ps those UAFX pedal sound pretty great - love that Brian May AC30 ‘FBG’ tone at start.
but whats he playing them thru ?
big and prob expensive Rack behind him.

Be mindful of video demos. Pedals are played thru expensive rigs IME, then mixed /touched up for video also.

UAFX pedals are $350 used here $550 new also $$$

Uncle E

Re Nux unit etc

Go for it.

What do you think of the quality of the NUX modelling tho .. compared to Tonex out of interest.
What do u hear good/bad