The settings are just presets. You can save them in your DAW and load them on the newer plugins, right?Held wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:24 pm Could you please link to the relevant parts in the VST2/3, AU, and AAX spec that describe the required functionality? I didn't know that was possible.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 110 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 110 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
Melda was sold to Imageline?! WOW. I had no idea. I guess we can forget about getting anything fixed or updated and improved. Melda is dead.MirkoVanHauten wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:18 pmAbsolutely! Though melda doing things different only to make things different is their trademark. Would have hoped their aquisition by Imageline would change something for the better.Lotus9 wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:12 pmDo you get it? Melda literally combines plugins (denoiser, desser, gate etc) into one that should be separate, and then separates plugins (MEqualizer) into many (MEqualizer, MEqualizerLP, MAutoEqualizer, MAutoEqualizerLP, MAutoDynamicEq, MDynamicEq, MTurboEQ) that should all be one. It's crazy.MirkoVanHauten wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:59 pm OP is right, It deviates from the usual treatment. Now we only need MDenoiser, MDenoiserMB, MSpectralDenoiser, MTurboDenoiser, MDenoiserX, MDenoiserLE, MDenoiserLP, and MAnalogDenoiser
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- KVRAF
- 6466 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Unfortunately, this is how Melda is. I made the same complaint 7 years ago but Melda keeps Melda-ing.Lotus9 wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:56 pm I literally have 8 different Melda EQ plugins. This is crackhead-world type stuff. You should have ONE EQ plugin. Look at Fabfilter. How many EQ plugins do they have? Having eight makes your product line confusing and cluttered.
I posted this here and you can read Vojtech's response on page 3.
I still use Melda on a limited basis but I avoid getting heavily into their products due to issues like this.Frantz wrote:I am expressing frustration with MOverlap and MConfusion. For example, I thought about trying a Melda saturation/distortion plugin but which should I demo and ultimately buy? All of these?
MAmp
MMultiBandDistortion
MMultiBandSaturator
MMultiBandWaveFolder
MMultiBandWaveShaper
I would rather buy one expensive plugin that will be enhanced over time than have to keep buying lots of cheap similar plugins that I won't be able to keep track of.
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- KVRist
- 61 posts since 11 Jan, 2020
Apparently Melda has been reaching out from the other side of death to update, upgrade and introduce new things for over 2.5 years by now.Lotus9 wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:35 pm
Melda was sold to Imageline?! WOW. I had no idea. I guess we can forget about getting anything fixed or updated and improved. Melda is dead.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22FYI+ ... d+Melda%22
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- KVRian
- 851 posts since 24 Mar, 2021
There is no company in the world that can make everyone happy. One of the reason i use Melda is because is how it is right now.
There is no reason to make changes that require lots of work to make happy some and very unhappy others, that's why it makes no sense to change.
If you don't like the way Melda works, you are very lucky cause there are a tons of companies out there that you may like. So feel free to use companies that have one plugin for each things that sell for more than $100 with iLok and a newer version that doesn't comes for free.
I don't like that model and i don't like iLok, other people do, that's normal.
The key is to find what you like and stick with it. I found Melda and i loved because of serial copy protection (no server or BS), because the quality is there, the plugins are very light, and other few reasons. I'm sure people would be mad if these stuff would change, because people already bought and spent money not just on plugins but in the way an ecosystem works.
If you spent money on something you dislike and you didn't knew how it works, is not Melda fault, you should just take the lesson and learn how to spend better your money.
There is no reason to make changes that require lots of work to make happy some and very unhappy others, that's why it makes no sense to change.
If you don't like the way Melda works, you are very lucky cause there are a tons of companies out there that you may like. So feel free to use companies that have one plugin for each things that sell for more than $100 with iLok and a newer version that doesn't comes for free.
I don't like that model and i don't like iLok, other people do, that's normal.
The key is to find what you like and stick with it. I found Melda and i loved because of serial copy protection (no server or BS), because the quality is there, the plugins are very light, and other few reasons. I'm sure people would be mad if these stuff would change, because people already bought and spent money not just on plugins but in the way an ecosystem works.
If you spent money on something you dislike and you didn't knew how it works, is not Melda fault, you should just take the lesson and learn how to spend better your money.
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Starship Krupa Starship Krupa https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=337746
- KVRist
- 303 posts since 13 Sep, 2014
As a longtime customer of MeldaProduction, and an interested observer of how they run their business, I can relate to some of the consternation expressed by the OP. But "quirky" is one of the defining aspects of MeldaProduction as a product line and as a company to observe. It's the product of one person's vision, someone who for as long as I've been reading his statements about his product and business philosophy, doesn't see much point in doing small variations of what other plug-in companies already have covered.
If you can go with that vision, then you'll eventually end up like me, with an MComplete license for everything the company has or ever will have released. If you don't, there are other ecosystems to buy into, or pick and choose what you want to use from a great variety of vendors.
There are MANY plug-in vendors who run their line just as the OP seems to want MeldaProduction to run theirs. I think most MeldaProduction (company and/or product) fans would tell you: their stuff isn't for everybody. It's the polar opposite of Waves' Renaissance line, where the processor has 4 controls and makes the track sound better (one hopes) without the person at the controls needing to do anything but adjust and listen.
I think the "glut" issue, for instance with having so many EQ's, is probably due to how the product line and the collective skills of the company have grown over the years. You have an idea for something, execute it, and there's your new EQ. 5 years later, you have more ideas, the market has changed, technology has changed, so you do another EQ. And so on. But leave the older ones in the line so that they continue to get the updates and features that are common to all MeldaProduction products that are built on their core engine.
This also eliminates the problem mentioned earlier, where bits of a product line get dropped. It makes it a pain to revisit older projects. Discontinued plug-ins may no longer be a part of the company's installer, they may not even work on the latest version of the OS. NEVER an issue with MeldaProduction.
As for one plug-in being able to do so many different things that you can't keep track of them in your head, well, it's MeldaProduction. For their fanbase, it's what they're here for. I'd gamble that most people who have licensed even the most basic entry into the ecosystem, the MFreeFX bundle pro upgrade, could sit down with MCompressor or MEQualizer and be amazed at what features lie beneath the surface. MCompressor can be set up as a compressor, expander, noise gate, you can draw your own compression curves. The detector has an EQ built in, so you can make it no trigger from your kick drum or hi hats or whatever. MEQualizer can be set up as a wah pedal with a controller pedal and MIDI learn. That's all there even if you don't unlock the extra features.
These things can be frustrating. My personal bugaboo is documentation, which at least has improved over the years. But still, after years of immersion in the MeldaProduction way of doing things, with most of their products I still have that feeling that an alien device with 1000 controls and lights landed in my back yard. While some of the controls and lights have obvious uses, it's clear that there are many things the artifact is capable of that I will never be able to figure out because there's no manual, and it does things that no Earth-made device does. IMO, MeldaProduction's documentation still assumes too much prior knowledge on the part of the reader.
MSpectralDynamics is a prime example. When it came out I had no idea what "spectral dynamics" even referred to. It can be used for "flattening" a track? "Flattening" is not a term I understand unless it's going to pitch shift the whole thing down. I use MSpectralDynamics to remove noise. That part of it I get. The rest....I'm sure it can do great things, amazing things, but since I have never encountered anything like it in my many years of mix engineering, those other things will probably remain unknown to me unless and until I can read a description with examples, of what I'm supposed to do with it.
But that's just how it is. As with any product, the matter is really whether I get my money's worth, giving customers their money's worth is something that MeldaProduction do better than anyone else, IMO.
Is the large, overlapping product line difficult to figure out compared to other companies? Yes, with MeldaProduction you have to be a more careful shopper and TRY DEMOs. With each plug-in capable of so many things, is it difficult to remember just what any given one can do, or even does? Yes, that's part of how they give you your money's worth.
The company's products are not for everybody. There are many alternatives. My current favorite collection of "does one thing and does it well" plug-ins is Kilohearts' Essentials bundle. It's free, 30+ plug-ins that each do one thing, small, simple interfaces, sound great.
If you can go with that vision, then you'll eventually end up like me, with an MComplete license for everything the company has or ever will have released. If you don't, there are other ecosystems to buy into, or pick and choose what you want to use from a great variety of vendors.
There are MANY plug-in vendors who run their line just as the OP seems to want MeldaProduction to run theirs. I think most MeldaProduction (company and/or product) fans would tell you: their stuff isn't for everybody. It's the polar opposite of Waves' Renaissance line, where the processor has 4 controls and makes the track sound better (one hopes) without the person at the controls needing to do anything but adjust and listen.
I think the "glut" issue, for instance with having so many EQ's, is probably due to how the product line and the collective skills of the company have grown over the years. You have an idea for something, execute it, and there's your new EQ. 5 years later, you have more ideas, the market has changed, technology has changed, so you do another EQ. And so on. But leave the older ones in the line so that they continue to get the updates and features that are common to all MeldaProduction products that are built on their core engine.
This also eliminates the problem mentioned earlier, where bits of a product line get dropped. It makes it a pain to revisit older projects. Discontinued plug-ins may no longer be a part of the company's installer, they may not even work on the latest version of the OS. NEVER an issue with MeldaProduction.
As for one plug-in being able to do so many different things that you can't keep track of them in your head, well, it's MeldaProduction. For their fanbase, it's what they're here for. I'd gamble that most people who have licensed even the most basic entry into the ecosystem, the MFreeFX bundle pro upgrade, could sit down with MCompressor or MEQualizer and be amazed at what features lie beneath the surface. MCompressor can be set up as a compressor, expander, noise gate, you can draw your own compression curves. The detector has an EQ built in, so you can make it no trigger from your kick drum or hi hats or whatever. MEQualizer can be set up as a wah pedal with a controller pedal and MIDI learn. That's all there even if you don't unlock the extra features.
These things can be frustrating. My personal bugaboo is documentation, which at least has improved over the years. But still, after years of immersion in the MeldaProduction way of doing things, with most of their products I still have that feeling that an alien device with 1000 controls and lights landed in my back yard. While some of the controls and lights have obvious uses, it's clear that there are many things the artifact is capable of that I will never be able to figure out because there's no manual, and it does things that no Earth-made device does. IMO, MeldaProduction's documentation still assumes too much prior knowledge on the part of the reader.
MSpectralDynamics is a prime example. When it came out I had no idea what "spectral dynamics" even referred to. It can be used for "flattening" a track? "Flattening" is not a term I understand unless it's going to pitch shift the whole thing down. I use MSpectralDynamics to remove noise. That part of it I get. The rest....I'm sure it can do great things, amazing things, but since I have never encountered anything like it in my many years of mix engineering, those other things will probably remain unknown to me unless and until I can read a description with examples, of what I'm supposed to do with it.
But that's just how it is. As with any product, the matter is really whether I get my money's worth, giving customers their money's worth is something that MeldaProduction do better than anyone else, IMO.
Is the large, overlapping product line difficult to figure out compared to other companies? Yes, with MeldaProduction you have to be a more careful shopper and TRY DEMOs. With each plug-in capable of so many things, is it difficult to remember just what any given one can do, or even does? Yes, that's part of how they give you your money's worth.
The company's products are not for everybody. There are many alternatives. My current favorite collection of "does one thing and does it well" plug-ins is Kilohearts' Essentials bundle. It's free, 30+ plug-ins that each do one thing, small, simple interfaces, sound great.
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- KVRist
- 79 posts since 29 May, 2005
Wow, apparently you need to log in if you want to read the Image-Line forum....noizejoy wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:06 am
Apparently Melda has been reaching out from the other side of death to update, upgrade and introduce new things for over 2.5 years by now.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22FYI+ ... d+Melda%22
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- KVRist
- 61 posts since 11 Jan, 2020
yeah -- and I don't have an account there either (otherwise I would have taken a screen capture). That's why I didn't link it directly - so readers could hopefully see the Google snippet without creating an account.al808 wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:17 amWow, apparently you need to log in if you want to read the Image-Line forum....noizejoy wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:06 am
Apparently Melda has been reaching out from the other side of death to update, upgrade and introduce new things for over 2.5 years by now.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22FYI+ ... d+Melda%22
Pretty strange choice from what generally seems to be a pretty great company with a very long and solid track record.
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- KVRer
- 1 posts since 22 Aug, 2024
Not to revive an old thread but here are some excerpts from the forum by the site admin:
-FYI for the last 2 years we have owned Melda Production, WA Production and Producer Loops.-
-UVI are already doing very well by themselves and they will continue to create and release high-quality products independently for their entire user base.- -> and this i believe would for sure go for any other companies they acquire
-No, we will not mess with their business or stop the sale of their VST/AU etc, that would be silly.-
so i don't think them acquiring Melda is of any worry as long as they keep to their word and philosophy of hands off partnership, i believe off the top of my head vojtech had commented on this same topic somewhere else on KVR stating that Melda still has the freedom to do what they desire and the decision to be acquired by Image-Line is mainly for support (something along that line) not to be quoted.
-FYI for the last 2 years we have owned Melda Production, WA Production and Producer Loops.-
-UVI are already doing very well by themselves and they will continue to create and release high-quality products independently for their entire user base.- -> and this i believe would for sure go for any other companies they acquire
-No, we will not mess with their business or stop the sale of their VST/AU etc, that would be silly.-
so i don't think them acquiring Melda is of any worry as long as they keep to their word and philosophy of hands off partnership, i believe off the top of my head vojtech had commented on this same topic somewhere else on KVR stating that Melda still has the freedom to do what they desire and the decision to be acquired by Image-Line is mainly for support (something along that line) not to be quoted.
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
I certainly do not want to add to CPU cycles by using MAutoDynamicEq when I only want a simple EQ such as MEqualizer. Same with compression and other processors.Lotus9 wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:12 pm Do you get it? Melda literally combines plugins (denoiser, desser, gate etc) into one that should be separate, and then separates plugins (MEqualizer) into many (MEqualizer, MEqualizerLP, MAutoEqualizer, MAutoEqualizerLP, MAutoDynamicEq, MDynamicEq, MTurboEQ) that should all be one. It's crazy.
EDIT: MTurboEQ is one that mimics popular compressors. I also do not want that when what I want is a simple EQ. Many companies are creating distinct EQ plugins for each piece of vintage hardware behaviour they reproduce.
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- KVRAF
- 3729 posts since 3 Nov, 2015
Only one reason I can find : they do not want prospective customers to read. Buy first, then discover.al808 wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 1:17 am Wow, apparently you need to log in if you want to read the Image-Line forum....
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122 - KVRAF
- 14325 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
It's not, at least to my knowledge. And quite frankly I can't imagine this could work...Held wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:24 pm Could you please link to the relevant parts in the VST2/3, AU, and AAX spec that describe the required functionality? I didn't know that was possible.
I myself have repeatedly ended up crying with some plugins being "removed" (just for a new version or something), so I'm just not going to do that to my customers...