Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.

[Aloysius]

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[t.o.t.s.]

Talk me into buying this,
https://louderthanliftoff.com/products/ ... mk2-plugin

Everyone is excited about it, I still don't know what it does though.

It’s a saturation/distortion plugin with analog modeled inconsistencies and some filters. It sound really nice though. This is a really good price and if you buy it directly from them you will be helping the developer/company get a few extra dollars in their pocket. I read this here and bought it immediately,although I have been wanting to get it for a little while

https://www.reddit.com/r/AudioProductio ... hKLCU5tLOQ

$350 regular price? Why not just make it $3500 while your at it?

the developer talks about that on gearspace:


>
> Hi all,
>
> This thread and the sale / promotion that the OP mentioned was just shared with me by a friend. Since many of you are friends and supporters of LTL I thought I should drop by and share my feelings and thoughts about this.
>
> To be completely honest this super low price surprised me. I was not aware of this promotion until this morning. As Darren mentioned, yeah we did work really hard on this plugin for well over a year. It was probably the most challenging product development I've been involved with to date especially since the hardware set a benchmark we needed to match. As I'm sure many of you would agree, it's disheartening to see your hard work devalued. And frustrating when it's a challenge to at least coordinate and synchronize for consistency.
>
> Let's talk about pricing. I'm going to be completely transparent with you all since I respect you guys. As you may know, I personally believe in setting fair prices for my products that give the customer a lot of value and bang-for-buck. This is one of the big reasons I've never had dealers and have only sold my products direct...so I can keep the costs low for you all. In an ideal world I'd love to sell the Silver Bullet mk2 plugin for somewhere between $99 and $149 and rarely have a sale on it. However, that's not exactly how the Plugin Alliance business model works. I signed a contract with Plugin Alliance to distribute (market/sell) both Chop Shop EQ and any future Silver Bullet plugins back in 2018. At that time PA was only selling perpetual licenses and they didn't have the subscription model. That came later. I talked to some of the other brands that were on the roster at the time and they were seeing good results from PA despite the less conventional sales model that I might not choose for myself. So I took a chance. Since 2018 many things have changed.
>
> Here's why the plugin is listed at $350 and why I fought for it to be as high as possible. From my perspective it has little to do with thinking people will pay more for it initially (although I truly believe *this* plugin is actually worth the $350...I'm very proud of it sonically). It has to do with the way profits are shared on the subscriptions...at least from my perspective as a business owner trying to make a profit. I think the unspoken part is that everyone assumes there will be a sale or voucher at some point that will bring the price down. There are hundreds of plugins in the subscription bundles. Currently the way that the profit share is calculated is based on old-school piece of the pie math. If I have more pieces of pie at greater value, then I get a bigger check when royalties are calculated even if the price is discounted. This simplistic royalty calculation incentivizes me to fight for the highest list price I can. It even incentivizes me to create as many plugins as I can for the bundle. If Brainworx has 80 plugins in the bundle and Louder Than Liftoff only has 2 then you can imagine how small my piece of the pie might be. In the future I'd love to see royalties calculated based on a customer usage model somehow.
>
> Let's look at how big my piece of the pie was this last quarter. My royalty payout is comprised of two numbers: 1) subscription sales, 2) perpetual license sales. For every sale I make on my own website I get to keep 90% of the profits. For every sale that PA makes on their website I get to keep 60%. Plugin Alliance is handling marketing, sales, customer support, bug tracking, licensing, etc. so their 40% is essentially their fee for providing me those services. Whether or not you think that split is fair is another discussion, but that's the deal I signed back in 2018. It is what it is.
>
> This last quarter I took home $0.56 on each Chop Shop perpetual license, and $0.0069 on each subscription license. That's 56 cents and less than 1 cent...you read that right. For Silver Bullet mk2 I took home $7.91 on each perpetual license and $0.0371 on each subscription license. Oh and by the way I have to pay royalties to my developers out of those payouts. So what personally goes in my pocket is less than those numbers.
>
> Now you hopefully see why I wanted to have that list price be as high as possible.
>
> Let's contrast that with what goes in my pocket when I make a sale on my own website. For the launch of the plugin we had it on sale for $180. I was able to keep $162. Contrast that with $7.91.
>
> If anyone would like to buy this plugin right now, get an equivalent deal, and support the people that worked really hard to create it you may use this discount code on louderthanliftoff.com to get the plugin for $20: SUPPORTCREATORS [edit: just head to the website, no coupon needed]
>
> Thanks for listening and supporting the mission,
> Brad

[Spring Goose]

I wonder if the samples Wusik sells are the same as these free ones? Both say they are over 10,000 wav files.

https://archive.org/details/AmigaSoundt ... Packsst-xx

https://www.wusik.com/online-store/Amig ... p523396825

I wouldn't buy anything myself, but does Wusik sell samples or actually include a big 20gb sample pack free with any applicable purchase? Why are u wondering?

[Examigan]

I wonder if the samples Wusik sells are the same as these free ones? Both say they are over 10,000 wav files.

https://archive.org/details/AmigaSoundt ... Packsst-xx

https://www.wusik.com/online-store/Amig ... p523396825

I wouldn't buy anything myself, but does Wusik sell samples or actually include a big 20gb sample pack free with any applicable purchase? Why are u wondering?

I just meant - why buy those Amiga samples from him if they are free anyway.

[Uncle E]

Look, some people enjoy signing up for newsletters they can't unsubscribe from. The samples are just a bonus.

[wayford]

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[skwrl]

You could just Unsubscribe from the Thread.

I'm not subscribed to it. I just browse. Probably the wrong spot to ask about it, anyhow. I do appreciate the input, though

[Aloysius]

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[concealed identity]

You could just Unsubscribe from the Thread.

I'm not subscribed to it. I just browse. Probably the wrong spot to ask about it, anyhow. I do appreciate the input, though

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you can just look at the newest post in the thread. When there are new posts, if you click the little red icon next to the thread title, it'll take you automatically to the new unread posts.

[Samogrey]

Does Steinberg ever have a sale of Wavelab?

It goes on sale now. 50% off on Cubase, Dorico, WaveLab and Absolute.

[t3toooo]

Talk me into buying this,
https://louderthanliftoff.com/products/ ... mk2-plugin

Everyone is excited about it, I still don't know what it does though.

It’s a saturation/distortion plugin with analog modeled inconsistencies and some filters. It sound really nice though. This is a really good price and if you buy it directly from them you will be helping the developer/company get a few extra dollars in their pocket. I read this here and bought it immediately,although I have been wanting to get it for a little while

https://www.reddit.com/r/AudioProductio ... hKLCU5tLOQ

Interesting plugin but no info about latency

[ChanceB]

Talk me into buying this,
https://louderthanliftoff.com/products/ ... mk2-plugin

Everyone is excited about it, I still don't know what it does though.

It’s a saturation/distortion plugin with analog modeled inconsistencies and some filters. It sound really nice though. This is a really good price and if you buy it directly from them you will be helping the developer/company get a few extra dollars in their pocket. I read this here and bought it immediately,although I have been wanting to get it for a little while

https://www.reddit.com/r/AudioProductio ... hKLCU5tLOQ

Interesting plugin but no info about latency

According to Bitwig it adds 1.4ms of latency

[Spring Goose]

Does Steinberg ever have a sale of Wavelab?

It goes on sale now. 50% off on Cubase, Dorico, WaveLab and Absolute.

thanks!

[Samogrey]

Does Steinberg ever have a sale of Wavelab?

It goes on sale now. 50% off on Cubase, Dorico, WaveLab and Absolute.

thanks!

BTW, if you pay by credit card and it support JPY, try it. I find it extremely cheap, much cheaper than pay by USD or EUR.

[Spring Goose]

ok i'll look at that, cheers for the tip