Softube CS-80 ? - Model 77 Dual Layer Synth

[tuzemec]

I dont understand why they dont allow to edit the 2 layers together, I prefer to program the CS80 in a single go rather than this up/down system.

While I was completely uninspired by the Arturia one, this is much better. At least the age button gives that weird sine waves that I recall from the real deal. As far as the CS80 itself, I only got the deckard's now, and for me, this is the first close enough CS80 emulation out there in software to me, so thats a keep...

I think holding Shift and editing a parameter modifies both layers. Or at least that was mentioned in one of the released videos.

[TIMT]

That's a wrong assumption.
The cpu consumption stays the same when you play notes or add another instance

???

Please think about it, does it really makes sense to you? Not to me. Why should playing no notes hog the CPU as much as actually playing the max 8 notes or even multiple instances of that? It would only make sense (albeit a questionable interpretation of resource saving coding) if one instance reserves (calculates while idling) all its possible voices, but not also instances that aren't even instanced. That would be impossible.

The entire synth engine might be freerunning even without triggering any voices. if they are doing proper accurate analog emulation, then that would make sense. the Korg ARP 2600 emu is like this which is part of the reason why the envelopes are super snappy and likely not interpolated

[SLiC]

I own more than 25 Softube products and not even a special price for customer ?

Email came with a code which takes 15% off.. You should have it by now.
rsp

My price was discounted a bit to 80E (probably as I own a few bits) when I logged in, and then the 15% discount worked on top of that...so it was about 70E (£60).

[jtsterays]

CS80 is overrated.

[zvenx]

I own more than 25 Softube products and not even a special price for customer ?

Email came with a code which takes 15% off.. You should have it by now.
rsp

My price was discounted a bit to 80E (probably as I own a few bits) when I logged in, and then the 15% discount worked on top of that...so it was about 70E (£60).

No that didn't happen with me and I for sure own all the model already..and quite a few other of their stuff. Showed me $99 whether I was logged on or not...
Are you a Volume 6 licensee?
rsp

[SirKen]

I own more than 25 Softube products and not even a special price for customer ?

Email came with a code which takes 15% off.. You should have it by now.
rsp

My price was discounted a bit to 80E (probably as I own a few bits) when I logged in, and then the 15% discount worked on top of that...so it was about 70E (£60).

No that didn't happen with me and I for sure own all the model already..and quite a few other of their stuff. Showed me $99 whether I was logged on or not...
Are you a Volume 6 licensee?
rsp

I have Volume 6 and all the other model synths and modular add-ons etc... I do not see any loyalty price when I log in.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I dont understand why they dont allow to edit the 2 layers together, I prefer to program the CS80 in a single go rather than this up/down system.

While I was completely uninspired by the Arturia one, this is much better. At least the age button gives that weird sine waves that I recall from the real deal. As far as the CS80 itself, I only got the deckard's now, and for me, this is the first close enough CS80 emulation out there in software to me, so thats a keep...

I think holding Shift and editing a parameter modifies both layers. Or at least that was mentioned in one of the released videos.

Shift is fine for quick edit of both. But would be much better if there was an actual button to engage to go into a mode to edit both without needing to hold shift.

[Gamma-UT]

My price was discounted a bit to 80E (probably as I own a few bits) when I logged in, and then the 15% discount worked on top of that...so it was about 70E (£60).

Are you registered for VAT as a business?

It's showing me €83 but I've got my VAT number registered in my account – and the difference is the 20% I'd expect for VAT.

[Gam456]

I own more than 25 Softube products and not even a special price for customer ?

Email came with a code which takes 15% off.. You should have it by now.
rsp

My price was discounted a bit to 80E (probably as I own a few bits) when I logged in, and then the 15% discount worked on top of that...so it was about 70E (£60).

No that didn't happen with me and I for sure own all the model already..and quite a few other of their stuff. Showed me $99 whether I was logged on or not...
Are you a Volume 6 licensee?
rsp

I have Volume 6 and all the other model synths and modular add-ons etc... I do not see any loyalty price when I log in.

I must add the promo code send by Softube

[beely]

Shift is fine for quick edit of both. But would be much better if there was an actual button to engage to go into a mode to edit both without needing to hold shift.

Or maybe shift-clicking on one of the layer buttons, and having both layers engage, and when both layers are active, any controls you move apply to both layers might be a nice improvement...

GF do this on their dual-layer things like M-Tron Pro, when both layers are active the knobs turn a third colour, different from the colours used for each layer, as an extra indication of what mode you're in.

[El°HYM]

Model 77 is here.

Model 77 Dual Layer Synth gives you one of the most influential sounds of our time. It is the iconic sound of Blade Runner, Chariots of Fire, Billie Jean, Africa, and Human Nature — among countless others.

We modeled and accurately articulated every detail of the circuits of three legendarily expressive Japanese synthesizers from 1977 and put them in one user-friendly plug-in. The sound, interaction, and performance remain as close to the hardware as possible, while the complex interfaces of the original instruments are enhanced with an intuitive redesign. Finally, your most-coveted synth has the workflow you deserve.

https://www.softube.com/products/model- ... ayer-synth

[beely]

Threads merged.

[briefcasemanx]

Model 77 is here.

And so is an existing thread, literally two posts down from this one:
viewtopic.php?t=613724

Please lock this one, mods.

Please don't lock this one mods. Nobody wants to read a bunch of pre-release speculation. This is a actual RELEASE thread.

The weird and neurotic obsession with combining all possible discussion into megathreads is terrible. Just dreadful. Ruins the forum and makes it so normal people that don't spend time in every megathread end up missing potentially important information.

[mi-os]

The entire synth engine might be freerunning even without triggering any voices. if they are doing proper accurate analog emulation, then that would make sense.

I'm pretty sure there is a reason like that for it. But they should look for alternatives to handle it more efficiently. There must be a way to hold the state, stop calculating everything and then restart voices on demand. Theoretically one could measure elapsed time in idle and restart the voices at the correct calculated state based on that in order to simulate freerunning oscillators. There are enough analog emulations out there which don't waste resources and still sound good.

[beely]

I'm sure those decisions aren't taken lightly. Softube are experienced devs, and if they've implemented like this, they've presumably deemed it important enough for emulation accuracy to go that route...

You could maybe drop them an email and see what they say about it?