Samplitude Pro X9?

[jens]

It should be out by now and normally they start teasing the next version in April already.

I wonder in what way the insolvency affects the release... are they just taking their time, or....

[SOUND7]

Taking their time. They announced a few weeks ago on the Samplitude forum that they are working on X9.

"Thank you for your interest in Samplitude ProX9!

We want to dispel any doubts and confirm that despite the current restructuring, there will definitely be a new version. The restructuring process has no impact on our day-to-day operations, and our team is working on the new Samplitude version.

It’s true that a new version would typically be expected around this time of year. However, we want to continue providing our loyal users with the highest quality. Therefore, we need sufficient time for the development of the new features, which are a bit more complex this time. We believe these new features are worth the wait.

As soon as there are more news about Pro X9, we will actively inform everyone.

If you are planning budgets, a pre-order might already be possible. In this case, please contact us via email at samplitude@magix.net.

Thank you for your understanding and patience."

In my own words: Yes, we are working on X9. But due to complex development tasks and standards we set for ourselves, we need some more time for X9 to be finished : )

[jens]

That sounds absolutely great! Thanks for the heads up!

Now I Am excited!

[enroe]

Well, if bankruptcy has been declared, then anything is possible. You let the developers
continue working as long as you have money to pay them.

There is rarely any communication between the insolvency administrator and the operational
staff, i.e. the developers. Only when the insolvency administrator has made up his mind on a
decision is it announced to everyone. And such a decision can of course be anything - from
"We're going ahead with everything" to "We're stopping everything now".

[jens]

Well, if bankruptcy has been declared, then anything is possible.

It hasn't.

(Actually bankruptcy can't "be declared" in Germany - it's a criminal act which you can end up in jail for. Insolvency is not to be confused with it. )

There is rarely any communication between the insolvency administrator and the operational
staff, i.e. the developers. Only when the insolvency administrator has made up his mind on a
decision is it announced to everyone. And such a decision can of course be anything - from
"We're going ahead with everything" to "We're stopping everything now".

Well, this is all of course actually highly off topic at this point anyway, since we already heard from the Magix stuff themselves that the Samplitude X9 release is unaffected by the insolvency (which is quite the relief, at least for me) but fwiw what you wrote doesn't at all apply to Magix either way, since they are in an "Insolvenz in Eigenverwaltung" (self-managed insonvency), so there's no external insolvency administrator.

[enroe]

Well, if bankruptcy has been declared, then anything is possible.

It hasn't.

(Actually bankruptcy can't "be declared" in Germany - it's a criminal act which you can end up in jail for. Insolvency is not to be confused with it. )

Nope, that's a translation misunderstanding:

bankruptcy (english) = Insolvenz (in german).

[enroe]

There is rarely any communication between the insolvency administrator and the
operational staff, i.e. the developers. Only when the insolvency administrator has
made up his mind on a decision is it announced to everyone. And such a decision
can of course be anything - from "We're going ahead with everything" to
"We're stopping everything now".

Well, this is all of course actually highly off topic at this point anyway, since we already heard from the Magix stuff themselves that the Samplitude X9 release is unaffected by the insolvency (which is quite the relief, at least for me) but fwiw what you wrote doesn't at all apply to Magix either way, since they are in an "Insolvenz in Eigenverwaltung" (self-managed insonvency), so there's no external insolvency administrator.

Yes, but the "self-management" will not be done by the developers, but - most likely -
by Magix's financial managers, so there will be no real communication.

You can somehow talk yourself into it - maybe that makes psychological sense - but
from a rational point of view, the facts don't look so good.

[jens]

Well, if bankruptcy has been declared, then anything is possible.

It hasn't.

(Actually bankruptcy can't "be declared" in Germany - it's a criminal act which you can end up in jail for. Insolvency is not to be confused with it. )

Nope, that's a translation misunderstanding:

bankruptcy (english) = Insolvenz (in german).

Whoops - my bad - just looked it up - I learned something new today

Yes, but the "self-management" will not be done by the developers, but - most likely -
by Magix's financial managers, so there will be no real communication.

How would this be any different than without the bancruptcy process?

You can somehow talk yourself into it - maybe that makes psychological sense - but
from a rational point of view, the facts don't look so good.

From a rational point of view it looks very good indeed. Maybe you should read their statement above again and analyze it rationally.

They don't say they don't know and they would know if they wouldn't know.
So either they're purposely lying, or what they say has to be taken at face value.
What might be their reason for purposely lying in regards to this, what would they gain?

Then: they say they're actively working on X9 as we speak (and are quite at an advanced state already) and again there's no reason at all not to take this info at face value.

So what sense would it make to stop this development shortly before the release? I.e. spending a lot of money on the development of a product, then stop shortly before the release that would most probably mean a significant increase in revenue? It would make no sense at all.

So from a rational point of view there is absolutely no reason to doubt that X9 is going to be released shortly.

Questioning everything is totally different from doubting everything, even though I think a lot of people conflate both all the time.

[TurnKeyLive]

There is rarely any communication between the insolvency administrator and the
operational staff, i.e. the developers. Only when the insolvency administrator has
made up his mind on a decision is it announced to everyone. And such a decision
can of course be anything - from "We're going ahead with everything" to
"We're stopping everything now".

Well, this is all of course actually highly off topic at this point anyway, since we already heard from the Magix stuff themselves that the Samplitude X9 release is unaffected by the insolvency (which is quite the relief, at least for me) but fwiw what you wrote doesn't at all apply to Magix either way, since they are in an "Insolvenz in Eigenverwaltung" (self-managed insonvency), so there's no external insolvency administrator.

Yes, but the "self-management" will not be done by the developers, but - most likely -
by Magix's financial managers, so there will be no real communication.

You can somehow talk yourself into it - maybe that makes psychological sense - but
from a rational point of view, the facts don't look so good.

Hey look everyone, a negative contribution to a thread at KVR.

That's unusual...

[enroe]

Hey look everyone, a negative contribution to a thread at KVR.

That's unusual...

No, no - I really hope and wish the best for Magix, and especially for
their flagship, Samplitude. This DAW is really top - and has some outstanding
features.

I just know how insolvency proceedings typically go - and what management
usually does in such proceedings and how it communicates. But it could also -
as Jens believes - continue like this and Samplitude be saved. It could be that,
for example, a new investor is simply being sought in the background.

[lobanov]

Yes, but the "self-management" will not be done by the developers, but - most likely -
by Magix's financial managers, so there will be no real communication.

This should be refined. Magix isn't an independent company, I don't know who bought them but their management is external. Sad state, unfortunately. Such people hardly create or produce something, they just "manage assets".

Samplitude is a relly good and mature DAW. It should continue.

This story reminds me Cakewalk and Sonar. So, may be, all will be fine.

[jens]

Wow - they seem to be keen to really make things different now - not only did they just release another, not quite unsubstantial new update for X8, they also added the update to Spectralayers 11 for free to the Suite.

https://www.magix.com/fileadmin/user_up ... 18-int.pdf

[tonymax]

any news on a release for x9?

[jens]

No, not yet - atm they still keep extending the current sale-period for X8 (as they do).

Last deadline was 1st of September, but now it's been extended until the 29th - so assuming it's the end of the sale for real ths time they probably will announce X9 on Monday, September 30th together with another "purchase X8 now, get X9 for free"-Sale that will run until the release of X9 (two weeks later or so).

They did the same with Vegas recently.

[KBSoundSmith]

No, not yet - atm they still keep extending the current sale-period for X8 (as they do).

Last deadline was 1st of September, but now it's been extended until the 29th - so assuming it's the end of the sale for real ths time they probably will announce X9 on Monday, September 30th together with another "purchase X8 now, get X9 for free"-Sale that will run until the release of X9 (two weeks later or so).

They did the same with Vegas recently.

Hmm. I'm considering updating in order to get Spectralayers Pro 11. But I'm debating on the rest of the Suite. The package includes Soundforge two versions behind (16 rather than 18) and Samplitude at ProX 8. Any idea if Samplitude might be eligible for a grace-period/free update to ProX 9 if I were to update now?

Most recently I've been using Reaper, so the Samplitude update isn't the highest priority. But if I'm going to spend the money, being current would be nice. And I have a number of vouchers for Steinberg stuff: Wavelab 12 at $150 is tempting, so I have to debate that against Soundforge as well. Hmm.