I meant oscillator unison, not oer voice unison.wikter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:15 amUnison already there, since the very begginning (Already available with Charlatan V1 & V2).
Per Osc Pan would be great but that means Filter should be Stereo, or maybe solved with the option to route Osc to filter 1/2 and panning filters. Anyway, I'd prefer higher voice count rather than panning oscs independently.
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- KVRian
- 1301 posts since 4 Oct, 2016
- KVRian
- 1036 posts since 10 Oct, 2002 from Barcelona
Something like Vital?Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:53 amI meant oscillator unison, not oer voice unison.wikter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:15 amUnison already there, since the very begginning (Already available with Charlatan V1 & V2).
Per Osc Pan would be great but that means Filter should be Stereo, or maybe solved with the option to route Osc to filter 1/2 and panning filters. Anyway, I'd prefer higher voice count rather than panning oscs independently.
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- KVRian
- 1301 posts since 4 Oct, 2016
Yes, and other wavetable synths. Spire has them toowikter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 11:09 amSomething like Vital?Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:53 amI meant oscillator unison, not oer voice unison.wikter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:15 amUnison already there, since the very begginning (Already available with Charlatan V1 & V2).
Per Osc Pan would be great but that means Filter should be Stereo, or maybe solved with the option to route Osc to filter 1/2 and panning filters. Anyway, I'd prefer higher voice count rather than panning oscs independently.
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- KVRAF
- 6179 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from right here, as you can see ...
there might be a chance that i am wrong - but even though the placement on the gui might imply otherwise, the unison in charlatan3 _is_ osc based - not voice based. because the filters start to vary in sound when you have different detuning settings. it sounds that all 7 oscs being stacked and being fed into the filters, hence the drive sounds altered. when every voice would be cloned for voice based unison, the sound of the filters wouldn't be changed, as every voice has its own set of filters - so the drive would sound like if only one osc is fed into it (when using only one wave/osc that is - in both cases).Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:53 amI meant oscillator unison, not oer voice unison.wikter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:15 amUnison already there, since the very begginning (Already available with Charlatan V1 & V2).
Per Osc Pan would be great but that means Filter should be Stereo, or maybe solved with the option to route Osc to filter 1/2 and panning filters. Anyway, I'd prefer higher voice count rather than panning oscs independently.
on top of that - with unison being voice based you'd half the voice count to 4 voices with 2 times unison (charlatan sadly only has 8 voices in total) - but in charlatan 3 the maximum voice count still stays 8 - no matter the unison count. of course i could be that the developer ups the voice count based on the unison setting - but i doubt that. for various reasons (way too complicated to explain here though).
so i'm pretty sure the unison in charlatan 3 actually _is_ osc based and _not_ voice based.
maybe karrikuh (the developer) can clarify.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 411 posts since 6 Apr, 2008
That is correct, unison applies to oscillators, not entire voices. This is how it has been in Charlatan 2 already, btw. The unison voice count determines the number of oscillators playing per synth voice, but does not affect the overall 8-voice synth polyphony. The unison can be activated individually for Osc 1 and 2.brok landers wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:33 pmthere might be a chance that i am wrong - but even though the placement on the gui might imply otherwise, the unison in charlatan3 _is_ osc based - not voice based. because the filters start to vary in sound when you have different detuning settings. it sounds that all 7 oscs being stacked and being fed into the filters, hence the drive sounds altered. when every voice would be cloned for voice based unison, the sound of the filters wouldn't be changed, as every voice has its own set of filters - so the drive would sound like if only one osc is fed into it (when using only one wave/osc that is - in both cases).Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:53 amI meant oscillator unison, not oer voice unison.wikter wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:15 amUnison already there, since the very begginning (Already available with Charlatan V1 & V2).
Per Osc Pan would be great but that means Filter should be Stereo, or maybe solved with the option to route Osc to filter 1/2 and panning filters. Anyway, I'd prefer higher voice count rather than panning oscs independently.
on top of that - with unison being voice based you'd half the voice count to 4 voices with 2 times unison (charlatan sadly only has 8 voices in total) - but in charlatan 3 the maximum voice count still stays 8 - no matter the unison count. of course i could be that the developer ups the voice count based on the unison setting - but i doubt that. for various reasons (way too complicated to explain here though).
so i'm pretty sure the unison in charlatan 3 actually _is_ osc based and _not_ voice based.
maybe karrikuh (the developer) can clarify.
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- 997 posts since 3 May, 2023 from Norway
This is becoming one of my favourite synthesizers! You can make some amazing sounds with this
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- KVRian
- 1036 posts since 10 Oct, 2002 from Barcelona
It would be interesting to create an exclusive FM bank.
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 3 Sep, 2024
Hello!
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for? * attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for? * attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
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While there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide. However, I can answer most of them. The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it. The waveform next to "Phase" allows one to enable modulation for the oscillator's phase (same with the sine next to "Ratio", which is for pitch modulation). The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type, number of bands, and polarity (+/-). I am not sure what the button for chorus does, but I guess it's an EQ Bypass. Reverb has a cloud mode and a diffuse mode. Factor is for changing the delay time, and color determines the filter for the delays (left for lowpass and right for highpass).hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:01 pm Hello!
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for?
charlatan.jpg
charlatan-2.jpg
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 3 Sep, 2024
Thank you for the reply. Just a few clarifications:Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:17 pmWhile there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide. However, I can answer most of them. The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it. The waveform next to "Phase" allows one to enable modulation for the oscillator's phase (same with the sine next to "Ratio", which is for pitch modulation). The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type, number of bands, and polarity (+/-). I am not sure what the button for chorus does, but I guess it's an EQ Bypass. Reverb has a cloud mode and a diffuse mode. Factor is for changing the delay time, and color determines the filter for the delays (left for lowpass and right for highpass).hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:01 pm Hello!
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for?
charlatan.jpg
charlatan-2.jpg
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
> The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it.
It's for the button with the curved line. But what about the histogram one?
> While there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide
Wow! I didn't know. Where can I download it?
> The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type
What does "PH" and "AP" mean?
- KVRian
- 997 posts since 3 May, 2023 from Norway
It's for Unison.hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:24 pmThank you for the reply. Just a few clarifications:Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:17 pmWhile there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide. However, I can answer most of them. The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it. The waveform next to "Phase" allows one to enable modulation for the oscillator's phase (same with the sine next to "Ratio", which is for pitch modulation). The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type, number of bands, and polarity (+/-). I am not sure what the button for chorus does, but I guess it's an EQ Bypass. Reverb has a cloud mode and a diffuse mode. Factor is for changing the delay time, and color determines the filter for the delays (left for lowpass and right for highpass).hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:01 pm Hello!
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for?
charlatan.jpg
charlatan-2.jpg
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
> The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it.
It's for the button with the curved line. But what about the histogram one?
> While there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide
Wow! I didn't know. Where can I download it?
> The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type
What does "PH" and "AP" mean?
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- KVRer
- 6 posts since 3 Sep, 2024
Thank you!Nug Wrangler wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:47 amIt's for Unison.hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:24 pmThank you for the reply. Just a few clarifications:Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:17 pmWhile there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide. However, I can answer most of them. The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it. The waveform next to "Phase" allows one to enable modulation for the oscillator's phase (same with the sine next to "Ratio", which is for pitch modulation). The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type, number of bands, and polarity (+/-). I am not sure what the button for chorus does, but I guess it's an EQ Bypass. Reverb has a cloud mode and a diffuse mode. Factor is for changing the delay time, and color determines the filter for the delays (left for lowpass and right for highpass).hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:01 pm Hello!
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for?
charlatan.jpg
charlatan-2.jpg
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
> The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it.
It's for the button with the curved line. But what about the histogram one?
> While there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide
Wow! I didn't know. Where can I download it?
> The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type
What does "PH" and "AP" mean?
- KVRian
- 997 posts since 3 May, 2023 from Norway
No problemhazo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:28 pmThank you!Nug Wrangler wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:47 amIt's for Unison.hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:24 pmThank you for the reply. Just a few clarifications:Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:17 pmWhile there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide. However, I can answer most of them. The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it. The waveform next to "Phase" allows one to enable modulation for the oscillator's phase (same with the sine next to "Ratio", which is for pitch modulation). The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type, number of bands, and polarity (+/-). I am not sure what the button for chorus does, but I guess it's an EQ Bypass. Reverb has a cloud mode and a diffuse mode. Factor is for changing the delay time, and color determines the filter for the delays (left for lowpass and right for highpass).hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:01 pm Hello!
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for?
charlatan.jpg
charlatan-2.jpg
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
> The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it.
It's for the button with the curved line. But what about the histogram one?
> While there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide
Wow! I didn't know. Where can I download it?
> The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type
What does "PH" and "AP" mean?
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- KVRian
- 693 posts since 1 Jul, 2023
PH and AP- presumably Phaser and All Pass. I'm going to assume that regular phaser is notch filters sweeping as differentiated from all pass filters (phase rotation).hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:24 pmThank you for the reply. Just a few clarifications:Korg Supporter wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:17 pmWhile there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide. However, I can answer most of them. The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it. The waveform next to "Phase" allows one to enable modulation for the oscillator's phase (same with the sine next to "Ratio", which is for pitch modulation). The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type, number of bands, and polarity (+/-). I am not sure what the button for chorus does, but I guess it's an EQ Bypass. Reverb has a cloud mode and a diffuse mode. Factor is for changing the delay time, and color determines the filter for the delays (left for lowpass and right for highpass).hazo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 5:01 pm Hello!
Unfortunately, I can't find any user manual for this wonderful synth.
So, does anyone knows what are these UI elements for?
charlatan.jpg
charlatan-2.jpg
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 1 - two buttons below the "Amp" knob: some curved line and kind of histogram
* attached image "charlatan.jpg" - arrow 2 - curved line right to phase value
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 3 - phaser effect controls
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 4 - two reverb buttons
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 5 - delay knobs "Factor" and "Color"
* attached image "charlatan-2.jpg" - arrow 6 - chorus button
> The button between the oscillators determines if the pair goes through the filter or bypasses it.
It's for the button with the curved line. But what about the histogram one?
> While there is no PDF, there is a text file user guide
Wow! I didn't know. Where can I download it?
> The controls for the phaser determine the phaser type
What does "PH" and "AP" mean?