PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent

[jens]

OTOH, I f**king hate applications like Reaper, where they'll implement any stupid feature any moron asks for. I'd like to see a developer with a really strong vision for their product who does what they think is best for that product. Users buy into their vision or they look elsewhere. Orion is a perfect example - as soon as Rich started adding features users requested, he started losing interest in it and gave up on it entirely a couple of years later.

Oh, is that what happened? He lost interest? I seem to remember him saying that he simply didn't sell enough copies of Orion to warrant further development.

And why did he not sell enough copies? My assumption always was that he listened far too much to a certain moron.

[elnn]

and they were expecting pre-release hype from this? I can feel the hype and pride in someone's office over this

I think it's the opposite, they likely didn't want discussion on the update plan taking up all the space instead of the new features. Announce this, get it out of the way, and then when Version 7 is revealed, people will want to talk about the new features, not what might be new features over the next year.

Of course it's not going to stop every complaint, but it seems like a good strategy. It also is better at informing consumers, since people will know what they're buying into once Version 7 is released- there's a risk they'd miss that info if the big PR push is on new features.

ok, makes sense

because it does not even motivate the devs.

do we know that devs get a bite from these price changes?

[Hanz Meyzer]

Sure, we don't know, but by "devs" I actually meant the people in the company who decide about cashflow. Would be quite interesting, hearing from a insider dev of Presonus how he/she likes these changes...

[elnn]

Sure, we don't know, but by "devs" I actually meant the people in the company who decide about cashflow. Would be quite interesting, hearing from a insider dev of Presonus how he/she likes these changes...

dev generally means a software developer. for future reference.

[jens]

The update price then indeed has doubled or more.

I don't really think it has.

My Bitwig upgrade plan expired at the beginning of August. I have the latest version though (because the beta started before this expiration). So far there's not been a new beta and after the next one comes out it'll take a while until the official release. When that will happen (which might possible be not before next year), I'll register the upgrade plan renewal code I purchased in May while there was a sale. (But of course I could wait a little longer.)

I assume with Studio One it'll be similar. So in reality, even if you always want to use the most current version, you'll probably have to renew every 18 months or so.

[SLiC]

The update price then indeed has doubled or more.

I don't really think it has.

My Bitwig upgrade plan expired at the beginning of August. I have the latest version though (because the beta started before this expiration). So far there's not been a new beta and after the next one comes out it'll take a while until the official release. When that will happen (which might possible be not before next year), I'll register the upgrade plan renewal code I purchased in May while there was a sale. (But of course I could wait a little longer.)

I assume with Studio One it'll be similar. So in reality, even if you always want to use the most current version, you'll probably have to renew every 18 months or so.

Not to mention a lot of the upgrades are pretty small or not relevant to your workflow so are very skippable...its very easy to go 2 years or more and miss next to nothing...no GAS or FOMO, you just get used to it...its their when you want it.

[Zikax]

It looks like we’ll be getting features for composers and beat makers, new sounds, a new sampler, a clip launcher, and an overhauled pattern editor.

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[Crossinger]

It looks like we’ll be getting features for composers and beat makers, new sounds, a new sampler, a clip launcher, and an overhauled pattern editor.

You got all that from the pixelated picture mud? You get clearer statements when you read the tea leaves.

[audiojunkie]

OTOH, I f**king hate applications like Reaper, where they'll implement any stupid feature any moron asks for. I'd like to see a developer with a really strong vision for their product who does what they think is best for that product. Users buy into their vision or they look elsewhere. Orion is a perfect example - as soon as Rich started adding features users requested, he started losing interest in it and gave up on it entirely a couple of years later.

If you followed Reaper development closely, you'd know this is wrong. Does it get a lot of small updates regularly versus some large big features/updates? Yes. I'd kill if they just rolled their own GUI instead of relying the OS to draw menus and windows (it's oft-requested too). But is not doing that part of the developer's strong vision for Reaper? Also yes. They don't think a massive GUI rewrite would be worth their time when Windows makes implementing nice-looking menus/windows difficult, and MacOS looks quite nice using just the OS drawn stuff. So they use OS-drawn options for both platforms and avoid the hell of writing a cross-platform GUI just to make Windows look a little prettier and add no real functional benefit.

They're not implementing every little feature users ask for UNLESS it fits into their strong vision of Reaper development. A big chunk of Reaper development isn't just music production but people doing video game scoring, creating sample libraries, post-production, etc. and they get a fair amount of the development attention. Improvements to batch processing are a recent example. Fits into the overall "Reaper paradigm". Whereas MIDI production updates happen much more slowly because the developers aren't hardcore MIDI, virtual instrument users. Reaper will do the job, but it's not Cubase.

Justin being his own boss and hella rich allows him to do just whatever he wants, and Schwa (the other developer) is on board. It's not "implement any stupid feature any moron asks for". Far from it. There's just no corporate overlord telling the developers "you have to implement these hot new features because they sell licenses". For better or worse.

I'm not trying to sell you on Reaper or make you like it for these reasons. But the characterization was off. You'd certainly understand the desire to nitpick.

And furthermore, for "most" people, the upgrade cost is $60 every couple of years or so, with constant updates. Reaper supports most newer technologies, and they support Linux. I absolutely love Reaper for what it is. And for those who think it's ugly, it is constanly getting graphics updates--you can make it look like pretty much anything these days. It's not for everyone, of course, but there are plenty of people love how the company does its business.

Presonus Studio One, on the other hand, is now supporting Linux, and I remain hopeful that it will soon become stable and usable. In fact, I'm really hoping that the move from 6.x to 7 adds a lot more stability. That is the weak point for the tool with Linux, and why people haven't been using it much yet.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Not to mention a lot of the upgrades are pretty small or not relevant to your workflow so are very skippable...its very easy to go 2 years or more and miss next to nothing...no GAS or FOMO, you just get used to it...its their when you want it.

Guess you guys are right here. Still I suffer from GAS sometimes But is certianly better than a subscription.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

And for those who think it's ugly, it is constanly getting graphics updates--you can make it look like pretty much anything these days.

Are you a Mac user? When people talk about it being ugly, it's mostly Windows users complaining about the non-themeable OS-drawn windows/screens. Examples: the FX Chain window, the border of the FX window when floating, or the Preferences screen, etc. This stuff isn't themeable without hacky workarounds and doesn't obey dark/light theme preferences within Windows. So yeah...ugly on Windows and not fixable via ReaperThemes/Appearance Tweaker.

Totally different experience on the Mac where those same OS-drawn windows actually look nice and light/dark mode preferences are obeyed. Reaper actually looks nice on MacOS. I use both and it's a big difference.

That said, the Reaper devs will tell you it's a Microsoft/Windows issue because they don't make it easy to have nice looking OS-drawn screens on the Windows side of the house in a way that's backwards/forwards compatible.

[Stan Navi]

It looks like we’ll be getting features for composers and beat makers, new sounds, a new sampler, a clip launcher, and an overhauled pattern editor.

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Seems not like clip launcher, but like drumrack opened with pattern editor in the lower zone.

[Uncle E]

Well, after I rethought my initial excitement about those license changes, I now have to roll-back... The update price then indeed has doubled or more. It requires quite a bit of discipline and self-control to not buy an update license too early, as I've experienced with Bitwig, too. Paying in advance, and then with a time limit is not a good idea, because it does not even motivate the devs.

Also the devs are not even used to frequently publish updates, or are they? At least, multiple times I was a bit annoyed about the Bitwig updates, the little amount of added features, for such a long time span.

Isn't it the best practice with Bitwig (and presumably Studio One now) to buy an upgrade license when it's on sale, then wait until an update you need gets released before registering it?

[jens]

It looks like we’ll be getting features for composers and beat makers, new sounds, a new sampler, a clip launcher, and an overhauled pattern editor.

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Plus I also see a new synth, a bucket brigade style chorus, ARA2 improvements, a coffee-machine, a bag of fish&chips, a HowTo on homemade bombs, an e-book reader, and a "your daily Haiku"-tool.

[lfm]

Are you a Mac user? When people talk about it being ugly, it's mostly Windows users complaining about the non-themeable OS-drawn windows/screens. Examples: the FX Chain window, the border of the FX window when floating, or the Preferences screen, etc. This stuff isn't themeable without hacky workarounds and doesn't obey dark/light theme preferences within Windows. So yeah...ugly on Windows and not fixable via ReaperThemes/Appearance Tweaker.

Totally different experience on the Mac where those same OS-drawn windows actually look nice and light/dark mode preferences are obeyed. Reaper actually looks nice on MacOS. I use both and it's a big difference.

That said, the Reaper devs will tell you it's a Microsoft/Windows issue because they don't make it easy to have nice looking OS-drawn screens on the Windows side of the house in a way that's backwards/forwards compatible.

How true this is!

When I got new Windows 11 computer Microsoft screemed at me
- buy a Mac FGS

Windows 10 I can stand, but 11 is getting worse all the time
- 11 does not have any guide drawing for eyes readability just about
- just a big white wash screen where you cannot see which tab is the active one