Modular software options?

[Kalamata Kid]

I love all modular environments whether a DAW, instrument or fx. I love the virtual cables especially if can see both the left and the right. I would love to see the cables light up when a signal is present. Extra love if multi-touch capable. But most of all I love it when the modular plugin can host other plugins. Yes I admit it, I’m in love with modular!!!

Voltage Modular does all of those things.

Unfortunely I prefer modular environment like Bidule, Mulab Plugin, Freestyle, Metaplugin, Element and Loomer Architect. I am used to this type of modular environments.

Voltage Modular and similar plugins just have too many cables to mess with. It's a workflow issue for me.

[zerocrossing]

I miss VAZ modular. Someone should take his idea and run with it, considering he closed up shop many years ago. No stupid cable graphics. I loved that plugin. It hosted plugins as modules!

[leodu]

polygrid is the real god

[koalaboy]

polygrid is the real god

Not until it allows custom modules.

[gentleclockdivider]

polygrid is the real god

A god that doesn’t even allow z-1 feedback loops , yeah right

[audiojunkie]

Soonth Blocks looks like a fun modular. It's built on the Vital engine. I haven't tried it yet.

One that I especially like for its sound, is Loomer's Aspect. Although it is debatable as to how much of a "modular" it really is, and although It has no effects, I really like the sound that comes from it.

[Kalamata Kid]

Is GRM Tools: Atelier a good alternative to:
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Hyperion? https://www.tracktion.com/products/hyperion
BespokeSynth https://www.bespokesynth.com/
Freestyle https://www.newsonicarts.com/html/freestyle.php
other ???

[nix808]

Freestyle is a very cool product,
I found there to be 2 bugs,
I have forgotten what exactly
-but the dev fixed them immediately for me when
I reported and described them
I currently have one that I have not reported,
the midi routing has to be toggled after project re-open
I just click the midi channel on one of the midi in pins
and it recalls the input sources correctly

Freestyle is for setting up live performance chains for me,
and perhaps this would be it's suggested use,
rather than building tracks in it
It's routing options and implementation would be good to look at
for modular use

[sunthief01]

Definitely Reaktor with blocks packs like EuroReakt, Toybox Tangle and Atomic, packs and then get System Discrete from the User Library

What I dig about Reaktor :
1) oversampling sounds amazing
2) deeper than skeumorphic modulars - Blocks are lower level than like Mutable Instruments or Make Noise modules - for example, you have blocks that do elements of MN Maths but no "maths block" - which allows you to have a much more custom Signal flow
3) GUI - you can be patching like VCV in your racks view or you can be in more of a Pure Data type signal flow in the structure view
4) If you own Reaktor you have Blocks, which open into Core (the very low level DSP zone) and Primary (prefab components you can build from)

I prefer all of this to something like Pure Data -although the Plug Data project is very promising and fun - and free

In Reaktor you can be as "top level" or as "deep" as you want, and it sounds good at each layer

As others have said the Toybox Polyphonic blocks are pretty spectacular

Shout out to Cardinal, the Grid, FL Studio's Patcher - all are good, but nowhere near Reaktor IMO.

The Grid has a great workflow and potential, but they need to fix the feedback issue - and either add lower level options or VST wrappers

[kx77free]

Why did you forgot SynthEdit ?
VCV is a tools to test Hardware configuration or for novices who want to understand the hardware modular synths, it's very limited vs SE
The GUI is too limited for working on complex patches based on many modules, personally I prefer to buy directly hardware if I must be limited by the number of modules or connections.
A good virtual application must be : not limited by GUI, to have no limit of modules, this ones must be with low CPU use and with voltage controls, no aliasing, oversampling options, no limits of connections, C++ SDK, VST export, etc... if not, why I will use it ?

Sure about the SE standalone, to be honnest SE standalone works only on Windows even if we can export for apple, it's GUI in standalone is too complex to use like VCV, we must manage the skin before.
I already said to Jeff about this issues, normally I hope Jeff will improve the gui management of the SE prefabs to use SE like VCV.

https://www.synthedit.com/

This is an example of modular VST3 what we can do with SE.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/se-mod ... y-kx77free

[whyterabbyt]

Why did you forgot SynthEdit ?

Because its a development tool, not a synthesiser?

VCV is a tools to test Hardware configuration or for novices who want to understand the hardware modular synths, it's very limited vs SE

I thoroughly disagree, and Im not a novice, Ive been using modular synths since the 80s. (And I bet I bought an SE license before you did, too.)

Except where I use VCV to configure Metamodule, a hardware eurorack module that runs VCV patches, I only use VCV as a software modular synth. For its software modules.

Ive never used VCV to 'test hardware configuration' for anything to do with it. There are about 20 times as many VCV-only modules as there are hardware emulations, and very few emulations are of hardware Im interested in, or already have.

I dont use SE as a software modular synth because its not one, its a development tool. With VCV you dont have to export a whole new plugin just to add a single VCO.

Use your tools how you want, without the 'mine is better than yours crap'. Dont make up silly shit about how users of other tools work, or why.

[kx77free]

Use your tools how you want, without the 'mine is better than yours crap'. Dont make up silly shit about how users of other tools work, or why.

ooops, thanks you guy for your comments, in fact the crap is you ^^

Because I just said that "if a virtual synth is the same of hardware with a sim sound, why I will use it , I will buy hardware"

I'm musician, I know synths since many years, you don't understand that you insult me because you cannot understand that I said, so please, listen that I said before to insult the people who do not think as you, guy...
Think hardware with virtual synths is a limit , I 'm musician, all I did with SE is for my music and I share all I did, so I'm sure I'm a crap because SE is a crap, seriously you insult Mamie Electro freely.

[whyterabbyt]

ooops, thanks you guy for your comments, in fact the crap is you ^^

Grow the f**k up. You made up some nonsense, and got called for it. Correct yourself instead of whinging.

Because I just said that "if a virtual synth is the same of hardware with a sim sound, why I will use it , I will buy hardware"

Liar. That's not just what you said.

[whyterabbyt]

I 'm musician, I know synths since many years, you don't understand that you insult me because you cannot understand that I said, so please, listen that I did before to insult the people who do not think as you, guy

I didnt insult you, I corrected stuff you made-up about what other were doing. You're the one who started insulting people, guy.
Next time round, try not dismissing other people's tools in order to pretend you're somehow better than them for using something else. This thread was about people's options, not for some dickhead posting 'look at how clever I am for using the stuff I say is best'

[kx77free]

hi hi
This post is "Modular software options?" so if this topic is reserved to VCV, so... sorry if you cannot understand what I wrote about virtual modular synth environments to make music.

So I know why I cannot say something on KVR, all people can invaginate they use the best way to use synths even if they cannot understand the experience of the other.

So on KVR we cannot have an opinion on VCV without to have in return that SE is a crap.
I never said that VCV is a crap, I just said there are another ways to do modular patches in virtual environments.
I understand the way to use VCV but it's not the only way.
I cannot use VCV because I compose in Midi and I use virtual multi tracks, I use no audio tracks, if I must do that, I will use hardware. Because VCV is a sim of hardware modules.