MuLab 10.0.85

[pljones]

Sure. But i was confused by your words "a shortcut to position the mixer strip between the slots as there has always been".
Such shortcut did not yet exist, and is also not planned, as it feels like overkill to me to add a shortcut for positioning the pre-post fader indicator in the middle, the more as you would have to make sure that rack has keyboard focus, hence a click is necessary and so that click can simply do the job already.

No, I'm not talking key sequences on a computer keyboard to make wiring adjustments in MUX. It's just that currently there is a fast way to change at what point between the rack slots the fader lies exists now and it is pretty useful for adjusting things, if you're adding an extra pre-fader or post-fader effect and need that extra slot.

Maybe an alternative could be right-click->add pre-fader or post-fader for inserting a new slot.

[MuTools]

The pre-post fader indicator (the little white triangle) still is there in the new rack system!
Cfr that preview screenshot.

[pljones]

And can you move it from the front panel to adjust the routing?

[MuTools]

And can you move it from the front panel to adjust the routing?

Yes!

The GUI rack slots are not part of a customizable MUX front panel, they're controlled by MuLab.
In fact one of the reasons for that choice was exactly to keep the pre-post fader indicator!
Which would have been much more complicated if rack slots were part of a customizable front panel. I've experimented with 100% customizable rack front panels, but came to the practical conclusion that it was better to keep certain things under MuLab's control to avoid overkill complications. That said i'm currently looking into adding the option to add a custom front panel for the rack fader section, and for the rack mux itself, as elaborated in this post: viewtopic.php?p=8966001#p8966001
Can't share results yet. Stay tuned

[pljones]

Great! Yes, the fully customisable front panel was what was worrying me, really -- I could see it meaning the end of the pre-post fader indicator! And it sounds like keeping it simple it probably the better solution.

[pekbro]

It's all Looking great jo! super excited for it

*Personally I would like to be able to dock the rack interface to either side of the UI or even
in a multi-tabbed browser. If you could add elements like the analyzer somehow, this is kind
of how I would imagine it. I like to dock stuff

sry not the greatest mockup, but I was in a hurry.

Screenshot 2024-09-21 105840a.png

[sl23]

Could we have an undo/redo toolbar option please. Would be much quicker than going to the Project menu every time.

It's not planned to add such specific toolbar.
IF toolbar(s) would be added, they will surely be customizable so that each user can choose what's in there and what not.
About a fast way to Undo / Redo: Why don't you use the fast key shortcuts Ctrl+Z / Ctrl+Y ?

Btw, I didn't mean add a whole new toolbar, just the two buttons for undo and redo.

That said, maybe at some point adding a user toolbar, in the same or similar way as the Browser buttons have been added, would help solve many requests for simpler interface, from a users perspective at least. A screen wide bar, or a smaller multiline bar somewhere, that would allow users to add any button to be created that is currently available as a shortcut would be absolutely brilliant.

But I guess most people prefer hotkeys!

[audiojunkie]

Could we have an undo/redo toolbar option please. Would be much quicker than going to the Project menu every time.

It's not planned to add such specific toolbar.
IF toolbar(s) would be added, they will surely be customizable so that each user can choose what's in there and what not.
About a fast way to Undo / Redo: Why don't you use the fast key shortcuts Ctrl+Z / Ctrl+Y ?

Btw, I didn't mean add a whole new toolbar, just the two buttons for undo and redo.

That said, maybe at some point adding a user toolbar, in the same or similar way as the Browser buttons have been added, would help solve many requests for simpler interface, from a users perspective at least. A screen wide bar, or a smaller multiline bar somewhere, that would allow users to add any button to be created that is currently available as a shortcut would be absolutely brilliant.

But I guess most people prefer hotkeys!

I don’t perfer hotkeys. I can’t remember those buggers. I like functionality available from GUI or menu.

[sl23]

[MuTools]

Follow up on the renewed rack system prototyping:
Below is a preview of the idea of adding a special fader MUX and related front panel.
The "Rack Fader MUX" is defined as a MUX that is directly connected to the audio out of the Rack Fader. (aka Mixer Strip)
If no such Rack Fader MUX exists, then things continue to look & work as before.
If such Rack Fader MUX exists then it will be automatically taken into account when swithching the pre-post fader indicator triangle. And if such Rack Fader MUX has a front panel, then it will be embedded in the rack panel. So things can stay the same as before, but advanced users get a lot more options in customizing racks.

Last but not least: If the rack itself has a custom front panel, it will also be included in the rack panel. By default this won't be the case, so this will only happen if the user explicitly wants that.

As you can see, combining a rack front panel and rack fader front panel can result in very wide racks. I assume the rack front panel at the left will be rather exceptional, so the third screenshot shows the Basic Synth rack with only an embedded rack fader front panel. (which also is optional, by default things will continue to look & work as in MuLab 9.5, except that racks can have more slots)

The embedded front panels shown in the pictures below are just examples of course, you can make any rack or fader front panel using all means of the MUX front panel editor.

Do you think the idea of the Rack Fader MUX and the option to embed its front panel is a good idea? Curious for your thoughts on this!

[Scrubbing Monkeys]

First thought is that it would allow for combined channel strips at a click.....but so would a slot on a rack. One less click though. All in all a good idea because I am sure the Mulab community will take the idea further

[dayvyg]

Below a screenshot of what is in the pipeline: The renewed racks.

Currently MuLab racks are limited to 6 slots. No more, no less.
Also applying more complex routings like side-chaining or using multi-input/output plugins may be a bit unhandy via the "Setup Aux In/Out".

Now the new racks become plain MUX Modular patches.
Whether a MUX patch is regarded a rack or not, and thus whether it's to be included in the rack desk, simply is the existence of at least one Rack Slot module.

Thanks to this new modularity, racks can now have any number of slots instead of the fixed 6.
Also thanks to this new rack modularity, racks are fully editable from modular side, which is handy when you want to use more complex rack routing like side-chain, multi-output synths, multi-input effects etc.

On top of that you also get control over the rack desk height which makes it possible to have larger rack faders & meters, and view more slots.

Curious for your thoughts & feelings about this.

This is huge! Very excited about this and a big step forward.

Big thanks!

d.

[RichardSemper]

Follow up on the renewed rack system prototyping:

A bold and interesting development. Wil be great to try it out in practice!

Will the collapse/expand still work as before?

[MuTools]

Will the collapse/expand still work as before?

Yes.

[dayvyg]

Do you think the idea of the Rack Fader MUX and the option to embed its front panel is a good idea? Curious for your thoughts on this!

I like this idea. Ideally, there would three options for collapsing/expanding. Largest with the new embedded panel, medium without the embedding and fully collapsed which just shows the fader and meter.

d.