Ableton Move (now available)

[jens]

For funsie wunsies, I've looked up compared processing benchmarks of the chips used in the $349 iPad (current, 10th generation) vs the $449 Ableton (Bowel) Move(ment).

I really don't see what your point or agenda here is - why are you still participating in the thread if you have absolutely no interest in the product at hand?

Anyway:

Before I'd buy an iPad, I'd much rather use my convertible laptop which is a lot more powerful and a lot more convenient in all regards, yet just as portable. But that's far far away from a standalone solution - i.e. it's a completely different thing - so you totally don't seem to see the point of Ableton Move.

(So again: what are you even doing here?)

[apoclypse]

For funsie wunsies, I've looked up compared processing benchmarks of the chips used in the $349 iPad (current, 10th generation) vs the $449 Ableton (Bowel) Move(ment).

Note: Ableton have possibly overclocked the processor to hit 1.5ghz, how much gains that would net compared to 1.416ghz I will leave up to you to decide.


https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/40 ... e-1416-MHz

"What processor does Move come with?
Move’s processor is a quad-core ARM Cortex-A72 at 1.5 GHz with 2 GB of RAM and a custom OS optimized for music creation and performance. "
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... hnical-FAQ

This comparison doesn't really make sense imo. Who cares what the specs of the chip are. This is a 4 track groove box that does a few things and doesn't need a lot of horsepower to do them. Putting in a weaker chip that can more than handle what it's designed to do is how these devices are made. All the current MPCs are running on a more than a decades old ARM SoC that was made for cheap Chromebooks. An iPad will run circles around them, but nobody is buying an iPad over an MPC X because of the specs. The same for Elektron's stuff or Novations devices. Certainly Roland's stuff which while the Zencores have a lot of DSP power are fairly weak in processing power.

If the Move were a Push, sure that's too weak for running a Push. For a 4 track groove box similar to the Novation Circuit or MC101, it's fine.

[ChiTown24]

For funsie wunsies, I've looked up compared processing benchmarks of the chips used in the $349 iPad (current, 10th generation) vs the $449 Ableton (Bowel) Move(ment).

why are you still participating in the thread if you have absolutely no interest in the product at hand?

I do have an interest in it though. Which is self-evident, not only by the fact I'm spending keystrokes on it here, but also by the fact I created my own thread about it in the Hardware section. Don't conflate being interested in something, or technology generally, with buying it. And please don't try to gatekeep who can and can't share their opinions.

you totally don't seem to see the point of Ableton Move.

I totally do. It's futile trying to gatekeep people from having & sharing their own opinions, but it's ridiculous to believe that they can only have a differing opinion if they don't 'get' what a product is for. I get what's it's for. And yet I have the opinions I have. Please try to process that.

(So again: what are you even doing here?)

Same thing everyone else is, discussing a just announced product in a field of technology & creativity that I have spent well over 20 years participating in. Feel free to cry about my opinions.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Someone strap the baby harness back on this lad

[jens]

I do have an interest in it though.

No you don't - your agenda these last few pages was most obviously to convince as many folks as possible what an utterly pointless thing Ableton Move actually is - you even started that before it was even released, arguing just on rumours alone.

There's a term for the type of internet-warrior you act out here: hater

[elassi]

It doesn't GAS me at all and I'm fine with it.

*MOVEs on*

[VOODOO U]

Let's see if I got this straight: Ableton releases Live in 2001; fast forward 23 years later and they release a hardware unit that can't do as much as - for example - one released in 2002 (Roland MC-909)?

Bedroom musicians is a long term big business.

[apoclypse]

Let's see if I got this straight: Ableton releases Live in 2001; fast forward 23 years later and they release a hardware unit that can't do as much as - for example - one released in 2002 (Roland MC-909)?

Bedroom musicians is a long term big business.

I mean to be fair an MC101/707 doesn't do as much as an MC909 but Roland released that in 2019. A lot of people buy stuff like Circuits and MC101s and stuff from Teenage Engineering so there is a market for more limited groove boxes that allow people to just sit and start tapping out beats/music.

I think it's a counterargument some hardware manufacturers are making to the complexity and feature creep of DAWs. The premise being that if your options are limited you as a creator will be more inspired to be creative.

[Uncle E]

To me the coolest part of move is for people who are new to finger drumming. The fact that they have built in lessons integrated with move to practice and improve your finger drumming skills I think could be one of the better selling parts of this. It’s not the fact that it has that alone it’s that it’s all 4 track recorder stuff plus that integrated which makes it cool.

Agreed. A 1 year subscription to Melodics is over $100, so it's a nice value-add if they provide a good number of lessons.

[Uncle E]

I mean to be fair an MC101/707 doesn't do as much as an MC909 but Roland released that in 2019. A lot of people buy stuff like Circuits and MC101s and stuff from Teenage Engineering so there is a market for more limited groove boxes that allow people to just sit and start tapping out beats/music.

I think it's a counterargument some hardware manufacturers are making to the complexity and feature creep of DAWs. The premise being that if your options are limited you as a creator will be more inspired to be creative.

4 parts is quite the limitation. It's weird that Move will probably be much more successful than the Electribe 2, which specs out better in almost every way.

[jens]

Let's see if I got this straight: Ableton releases Live in 2001; fast forward 23 years later and they release a hardware unit that can't do as much as - for example - one released in 2002 (Roland MC-909)?

The MC-909 and Move are completely different things... just for starters, the latter has 32 well-sized poly-pressure capable multi-colour pads and 8+2 multi-purpose encoders and 64gb storage, while the former has 16 tiny single-colour only velocity-sensitive pads and per-function rotary-knobs with a maximum of 272mb.

[jens]

4 parts is quite the limitation.

Yes, but there's hope - if they come to aknowledge their mistake they should probably be able to correct it with a firmware update.

[Uncle E]

Yes, but there's hope - if they come to aknowledge their mistake they should probably be able to correct it with a firmware update.

Good point. I imagine that's fixable.

[jens]

Yes, but there's hope - if they come to aknowledge their mistake they should probably be able to correct it with a firmware update.

Good point. I imagine that's fixable.

Yes - I mean given that (for whatever reason) they apparently went with (the smaller 2gb variant of) a Raspberry Pi 4b instead of the 5b, this might proof to put too much strain on the system after all, so a polyphony- and fx limited switcheable mode might be required, but I think that would be a reasonable trade-off after all....

[jens]

This makes me think: if it's really a Raspberry Pi it should probably be possible to open the thing and swap the board for a 5b and the firmware should be hackable, right? (Kind of similar to what e.g. the genius(ses?*) who developed the Typhon OS for the TX16w did back in the day.)


*wasn't actually Magnus Lidström the driving force behind it?