PreSonus Studio One 7 apparently imminent

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[trusampler]

Hey everyone just wanted to share a huge tip for me at least.

The s1 browser has had a huge update in the loops section. As a former logic user I figured there was some sort of way s1 had untagged loops like logic. I mounted my sample folder as a sound set. I deleted all of s1s loop packs. Now I have a highly functioning browser. When I search top and loop to jam cats tears my top loops show up completely even if they were separated with dashes etc. The only thing that still sucks is its best to search words individually. The reason I recommend deleting the s1 loops is my loops were showing below the s1 loops everytime in the search which I didn’t like. They have some amazing sound content but if this is what I have to do to fix the browser this is what I will do

Does Presonus have the changes they made documented somewhere regarding the update to the browser and soundsets ?
Are you saying that by creating our own soundset out of our own samples, that the browser somehow recognizes tags ?

[Uncle E]

People need to relax. Splice is just an easier form of crate diving for samples you could do something with. The fact that most musicians aren't very creative with samples, is not something new, and not something that will never change.

Au contraire, people need to fight on internet forums more. It's so fun to read.

[Uncle E]

What's the best DAW for dinosaur music these days? I need there to be minimal hippin' and hoppin', and absolutely no bippin' nor boppin'.

As long as the reels are spinning...

[jamcat]

Yes, that's right. Or at least it was. Studio One was always the DAW for scoring dignified music, not cheap thrills. A different caliber of musician used Studio One: Refined gentlemen of exquisite taste. Now, our once great bastion lays in ruins, as it is sacked by the uncivilised hordes of beatmakers.

Have you tried Luna. Seems like the type of DAW you want and for sure not getting any of this type of features. It is also free I think.
Record/Edit/Mix and keep your dignity.

LUNA is actually the only other DAW I have installed. I also have all of the LUNA extensions except for Neve Summing. I already use Studio One in way very similar to how LUNA is setup, including using primarily UAD plugins.

But the way I use Studio One from there is quite a bit more advanced than LUNA.

In Studio One, I create two virtual consoles using Mix Scenes. One is setup like a tracking console, and the other like a mixing console, with Neve channels and Studer tape on the tracking console, and SSL channels on the mixing console. Every audio track goes through a tracking console channel first, and then through a mixing console channel. I also use mix scenes to organize the raw audio track sources prior to being sent to the consoles. So there is a mix scene with just drums, one with just guitars and amps, and one with just strings, if I'm using them. The strings then mix to a single group output with room modeling, so when it hits my recording console, it's being treated like a single stereo recording of a string chamber. My Master buss has SSL summing through Retro Mix Legends, an SSL Bus compressor and Ampex master tape.

I also create guitar and drum tablature, scores with vocal lines and lyrics, tempo tracks that follow human timing. I use Melodyne integrated through ARA2. Every song has a chord track that keeps track of the progression. I work out 4-part harmony string arrangements by making multiple MIDI channels visible in the MIDI editor at once. I export all songs for an album to the Project page where they are sequenced and mastered together as a complete package.

So while I appreciate that LUNA can do the per channel tape and console emulation, and the mixbuss summing and master tape, that is as far as it goes, and it is only a fraction of what I'm doing in Studio One. I never need any other software except for Studio One for every step from writing, to recording, to mixing, to mastering. Nothing starts outside of Studio One, and nothing is taken outside of Studio One until the final delivery.

So I have no plans on leaving Studio One. I just don't see much upside right now to upgrading to v7 or whatever they eventually end up calling it. Though I do like the new advanced tempo detection feature. That could make an upgrade worth it on balance. But this is the first new version of Studio One that has given me pause. Every other version prior to 7 had been 100% positive for me. But this time, I am filled with dread rather than excitement.

[jens]

I still wonder how people make do with Luna when you can't even use stereo fx on mono-tracks and you can't record mono-signals to stereo tracks...

[qtheerearranger]

Unfortunately it doesn’t seem to get meta tags but it gets keywords perfectly. For example if in the typical file browser I search my sample browser for something like top loops I may miss some samples listed top-loops or top_jungle_loop as an example. So now when I search top press enter and loop and press enter I will get everything with those words in it. It’s more of a name contains filter search then a tag search. It’s actually on the s1 release page of its updates it’s one of the prominent browser features it’s got a picture and a paragraph.

[apoclypse]

No one does a clip launcher better than Ableton period. A clip launcher in S17 is corny. Its a fad that other DAW's ripped off of Ableton.

Bitwig and S1 has better clip launchers because it is side by side with arrangement view, which Ableton can't do, period.

That’s just personal preference, I have had Bitwig since V1, never used it side by side…that may as I came from Live, but I just see clip and arrange as to separate things.

Ableton's clip launcher is okay but I wouldn't call it the best. Mostly due to the limitations in Ableton itself and how it handles clips. Ableton's strength in-terms of clip launching is their trigger actions which imo Bitwig more than matches in some places is even better. However the side by side view imo is essential. Being to drag and drop clips freely from the launcher view to the arrange view is super useful.

For S1, like I mentioned earlier the Playlist feature imo should be in every DAW/device that has a clip launcher. Ableton/Bitwig/Force/Logic etc don't have that feature. That alone makes me like S1's launcher more than Live's on paper (I haven't used it so I can't say how well it works).

[apoclypse]

Does anyone know if you can record from the launcher (thus switching scenes and clips ) into the timeline ?
If not , this would be a huge misser .

Presonus has some videos on their Youtube channel showing the launcher.

[xbitz]

No one does a clip launcher better than Ableton period. A clip launcher in S17 is corny. Its a fad that other DAW's ripped off of Ableton.

Bitwig and S1 has better clip launchers because it is side by side with arrangement view, which Ableton can't do, period.

That’s just personal preference, I have had Bitwig since V1, never used it side by side…that may as I came from Live, but I just see clip and arrange as to separate things.

Ableton's clip launcher is okay but I wouldn't call it the best. Mostly due to the limitations in Ableton itself and how it handles clips. Ableton's strength in-terms of clip launching is their trigger actions which imo Bitwig more than matches in some places is even better. However the side by side view imo is essential. Being to drag and drop clips freely from the launcher view to the arrange view is super useful.

For S1, like I mentioned earlier the Playlist feature imo should be in every DAW/device that has a clip launcher. Ableton/Bitwig/Force/Logic etc don't have that feature. That alone makes me like S1's launcher more than Live's on paper (I haven't used it so I can't say how well it works).

Plus, if you throw patterns in, additional variations can be tried without moving the clip, and the original pattern in the arranger can also be replaced with it (if it's ghosted, then all of them) in one move (drag and drop with pressed option)

[trusampler]

That is identical to the Mpc song mode, so that will feel right at home if I ever want to sequence like that. Cool to see Presonus offer this as an option.

[jamcat]

Presonus has some videos on their Youtube channel showing the launcher.

I watched that video yesterday. I like how it's treated more like a matrix of Scratchpads in a supporting role to the Arranger, as opposed to completely taking over Studio One. But it also seems overly convoluted with all the little arrows that can go this way or that way. I foresee a lot of lost time and confused users trying to figure out why their mix is doing weird stuff because some arrow way down the page is pointing in the wrong direction.

[xbitz]

well, I would have been even more happy if I hadn’t had to buy the Harmony Wizard (they promoted on their channel), but features like rhythm-based chopping are always too tempting or the voice based selector etc.



>> https://manual.studioonescripts.com/har ... hop-chords last the 'Copy rhythmic pattern with length' one

I get it, if it's going to be S1, then it should at least be usable—that's how I sold it to myself, but still... nah.

[Uncle E]

But it also seems overly convoluted with all the little arrows that can go this way or that way. I foresee a lot of lost time and confused users trying to figure out why their mix is doing weird stuff because some arrow way down the page is pointing in the wrong direction.

The arrow button on top switches them all at the same time.

[jonnybueno]

Can anyone here confirm if recording audio into the new launcher is working for them?

When I record audio into the launcher, studio one produces a clip with a waveform that doesn't playback audio in the launcher, the arranger or when exported. Works fine if I record in the arranger then drag into the launcher.