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ritesofspring wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:06 am They're on sale at the moment - is it worth getting the 6050 Channel Strip? Really just want to get most of my analog emulation needs out of the way, and for 40€/60€ HD (is HD worth it?) it seems really convenient
It's not just the analog emulations. McDSP are IMO among the leading experts at recreating the dynamics results of revered vintage units while not needing upsampling, and minimizing CPU.

I think it's a math game, inventing little clever algorithms that get to the same results without any of the fancy virtual recreation of hardware internal components. Black Rooster and many others design the entire circuit. McDSP sits there looking at the thing as a math puzzle and spend months fiddling with calculations until they nail a minimalist algorithm that sounds right.

Here is a test of 1176 using ~Dr Pepper settings (matched quickly by ear):
https://clyp.it/5yh3xtik

That's McDSP 6050 SST 77 vs BRA VLA-FET, doing 15db+ GR at the peaks, so they are being pushed pretty hard. (original at the end for comparison).

Personally, I like the McDSP better in this test. Notice the word "busted", the BRA turns it into an unnatural plosive, while McDSP doesn't suffer of that problem. The "ohs" would be tough on any compressor, I'm making them do near 20db, but they are both usable, a hardware unit would not fare much better pushed liked this.

So overall, McDSP here is at least holding its own (if not winning). And it's doing it with near 10x less CPU, and 0 latency.

IMO, there is always a place in the arsenal for the McDSP 6050. It's a strip that sounds fantastic for the tiny bit of resources it wants, so you can use it in your projects with abandon.

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From personal experience, I've found that it can literally take them years (if ever) to sort out problems with their plugins.
This is the same method MJ used when he was working on Anthony Marinelli's Thriller.

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Thanks everyone for your help, those are really helpful answers. Ended up getting 6050 (didn't see the 6060, agh - but saving a few bucks is ok).
plexuss wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:20 pm Frankly I think you'd be better served with the Black Rooster Audio everything bundle. That's what I would get if it were me. But if you want the 500 format channel strip paradigm then McDSP is viable.
I've got all the Black Rooster plugins, which are great - but they don't have a distressor plugin, or any API, or 670... you get the idea. I'm kind of fed up of seeing people go on about their favourite mixing trick involving old hardware gear and I'm in the dark approximating it because Black Rooster and other smaller shop devs, who I like and want to support, don't happen to have this or that analog emulation in stock. So a basic, all-in-one, gets the job done collection is good enough for me, my actual favourite plugins do stuff differently anyway. Which it sounds like this does!
jochicago wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:49 pm Here is a test of 1176 using ~Dr Pepper settings (matched quickly by ear):
https://clyp.it/5yh3xtik

That's McDSP 6050 SST 77 vs BRA VLA-FET, doing 15db+ GR at the peaks, so they are being pushed pretty hard. (original at the end for comparison).

Personally, I like the McDSP better in this test. Notice the word "busted", the BRA turns it into an unnatural plosive, while McDSP doesn't suffer of that problem. The "ohs" would be tough on any compressor, I'm making them do near 20db, but they are both usable, a hardware unit would not fare much better pushed liked this.

So overall, McDSP here is at least holding its own (if not winning). And it's doing it with near 10x less CPU, and 0 latency.

IMO, there is always a place in the arsenal for the McDSP 6050. It's a strip that sounds fantastic for the tiny bit of resources it wants, so you can use it in your projects with abandon.
This is a great comparison, thanks a lot! Yeah, saving CPU is always helpful for my system, I'm very much a laptop producer. I'm actually a fan of the Black Rooster sound in this instance, the flawed vintage-y warmth is great, but I totally agree they both totally hold their own, the McDSP really does preserve the character on the guitar and quiet parts of the vocals.

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plexuss wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:20 pm
ritesofspring wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:06 am They're on sale at the moment - is it worth getting the 6050 Channel Strip? Really just want to get most of my analog emulation needs out of the way, and for 40€/60€ HD (is HD worth it?) it seems really convenient
If you can afford the 6060 then get that instead. If you get the 6050 you may be left wanting the 6060 after some time and there is no upgrade path (which is a pet peev and why I stopped buying McDSP).

Frankly I think you'd be better served with the Black Rooster Audio everything bundle. That's what I would get if it were me. But if you want the 500 format channel strip paradigm then McDSP is viable.
Nowadays there’s a sort of upgrade path. I own 6050 and everytime 6060 is on sale they send me a coupon to buy it for 49.00 (half the sale price).

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Pingafuego wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:13 am Nowadays there’s a sort of upgrade path. I own 6050 and everytime 6060 is on sale they send me a coupon to buy it for 49.00 (half the sale price).

 
Yeah, I just did this. Wouldn't have upgraded otherwise. I have a total of $100 invested in 6050 and 6060. I think it's well worth that. Test with your system thoroughly, though, as I get the impression bug fixes are few and far between.

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Pingafuego wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:13 am Nowadays there’s a sort of upgrade path. I own 6050 and everytime 6060 is on sale they send me a coupon to buy it for 49.00 (half the sale price).
I'm on 6050 and $50 is a fair upgrade price, but I haven't received that email.

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jochicago wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:26 am
Pingafuego wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:13 am Nowadays there’s a sort of upgrade path. I own 6050 and everytime 6060 is on sale they send me a coupon to buy it for 49.00 (half the sale price).
I'm on 6050 and $50 is a fair upgrade price, but I haven't received that email.
Try sales support, I think it’s the third time I’m offered this deal!

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Pingafuego wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:00 am
jochicago wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:26 am
Pingafuego wrote: Wed Dec 02, 2020 6:13 am Nowadays there’s a sort of upgrade path. I own 6050 and everytime 6060 is on sale they send me a coupon to buy it for 49.00 (half the sale price).
I'm on 6050 and $50 is a fair upgrade price, but I haven't received that email.
Try sales support, I think it’s the third time I’m offered this deal!
I emailed them about it. A few days later (today) they emailed me with a code to get 6060 for $49, being a 6050 owner. They said they make the offer now and again but the latest offer expired. They gave me a code to use that expires in 24 hours so I got it. It just made sense to get it for that price. Hopefully it makes up for falling into the botched launch of the 6050, I was one of the one that got themselves roped into their pricing f'up. Lesson learned. Now I wait... patience pays off with money in the case of plugins!

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Word of warning: on my setup (Win10, Reaper) 6060 would sporadically emit monstrous bursts of noise (<100dB), luckily for me, Reaper has a built-in auto-mute on a master channel.

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Scarlet Pumpernickel wrote: Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:37 am Word of warning: on my setup (Win10, Reaper) 6060 would sporadically emit monstrous bursts of noise (<100dB), luckily for me, Reaper has a built-in auto-mute on a master channel.
Make sure you are on the latest version.
https://www.mcdsp.com/downloads/plugin-downloads/

I had that problem with the 6050, but it got fixed at some point via updates. In my case, something in my system would trigger a protection (I think it was the interface driver), and everything would go dark until I restarted the DAW. On the plus side, it taught me to keep a limiter on the master bus at all times for all projects, which is a safety protocol I recommend for everyone.

I contacted their support and they set me up with the 6060 code. I'm upgraded.

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Frankly, I don't remember if it was current version or the one before it.
On a more general topic, I'm still eying out their noise reduction plugin (NR800?), but I'm waiting for it to get cheaper.
Also EC300 is usually the first delay I reach for; and their multi-band comp (6034) proved to be surprisingly useful to me.

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pekbro wrote: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:33 am
JerGoertz wrote:
Thanks for all these converted presets, pekbro!
Enjoy :tu:

Being typically pretty thorough, I actually have converted presets for:
Filterbank, Compressorbank and the full Retro Line as well. If anyone wants
me to post them just say so. That is the extent of my McDSP collection.

-Cheers
Yes, Please.

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So I tried the vers 7 demos for a couple of these plugins since the upgrades were discounted (pretty sure :lol:)

Anyway, seems like mostly updated graphics, poorly optimized opengl graphics (for me anyway) on top of that. I would report it, but IME he doesn't care about making adjustments for lesser used graphics cards, on board Iris XE in my case.

I just reinstalled the ver 6 plugins that I wanted to use, they are working better than the current versions, so no upgrading even my most fav McDSP plugs I guess... :shrug:

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Yeah nah.
Intel Core i7 8700K, 16gb, Windows 10 Pro, Focusrite Scarlet 6i6

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In history ok - later in 3 year no real development, with the UI facelifts they have tried to cash in money from their loyal old customers, who already have paid big money for the product.

Don’t like this policy.

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