how would you get the Boss DC-2 effect using delay?
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frantic_fingers frantic_fingers https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=722312
- KVRer
- 23 posts since 11 Oct, 2024
I really like the sound of the Boss Dimension-C DC-2 (which is a pedal version of the Roland SDD-320) it doesn't bend pitch like chorus does.
from what I gather, it delays the signal about 35 ms and uses a low-frequency oscillator to vary that delay time back and forth, then re-introduces the original signal to the delayed signal. the result is a doubling effect at different delay times to make what could be described as "motionless chorus".
but I use a VST host with plugins and even if I did use hardware I couldn't spend 200$ on 1 effect pedal.
so how would you get the Boss DC-2 effect using a delay plugin? I'm not aware of any delays that oscillate delay time.
or is there a plugin that emulates the DC-2?
from what I gather, it delays the signal about 35 ms and uses a low-frequency oscillator to vary that delay time back and forth, then re-introduces the original signal to the delayed signal. the result is a doubling effect at different delay times to make what could be described as "motionless chorus".
but I use a VST host with plugins and even if I did use hardware I couldn't spend 200$ on 1 effect pedal.
so how would you get the Boss DC-2 effect using a delay plugin? I'm not aware of any delays that oscillate delay time.
or is there a plugin that emulates the DC-2?
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- KVRAF
- 1712 posts since 15 Aug, 2003 from Indianapolis
This is quite literally the definition of a chorus effectfrantic_fingers wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 pm from what I gather, it delays the signal about 35 ms and uses a low-frequency oscillator to vary that delay time back and forth, then re-introduces the original signal to the delayed signal.
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frantic_fingers frantic_fingers https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=722312
- KVRer
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- 23 posts since 11 Oct, 2024
chorus does something different. the pitch gets oscillated too.bk wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:57 pmThis is quite literally the definition of a chorus effectfrantic_fingers wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 pm from what I gather, it delays the signal about 35 ms and uses a low-frequency oscillator to vary that delay time back and forth, then re-introduces the original signal to the delayed signal.
- KVRAF
- 25031 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
no, it doesn't. The pitch-variation comes from the signal practically constantly speeding up and slowing down.frantic_fingers wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:39 pmchorus does something different. the pitch gets oscillated too.bk wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:57 pmThis is quite literally the definition of a chorus effectfrantic_fingers wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 pm from what I gather, it delays the signal about 35 ms and uses a low-frequency oscillator to vary that delay time back and forth, then re-introduces the original signal to the delayed signal.
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neverbeeninariot neverbeeninariot https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=350084
- KVRian
- 1079 posts since 3 Feb, 2015 from UK
Trailbender - a free delay plugin that can do delay times in that range, and modulate it with an LFO - Some of the modulation presets are worth checking out. I'm not saying it will sound like a dimension c, but chorusing and flanging are possible if you want to experiment.
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frantic_fingers frantic_fingers https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=722312
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thanks a bunch. some of those are free, I am going to try out the VDimension, Quadro-D, DimensionExpander and TrailBender.CapnLockheed wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:26 pm Plenty of Dimension-D rack clones out there:
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- 4095 posts since 27 Aug, 2004
ISTR seeing a chart listing the delay times of several popular chorus boxes and most ranged between 6-11 ms. The Rockman had a predelay of 20 ms.bk wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:57 pmThis is quite literally the definition of a chorus effectfrantic_fingers wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 pm from what I gather, it delays the signal about 35 ms and uses a low-frequency oscillator to vary that delay time back and forth, then re-introduces the original signal to the delayed signal.
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As already said, that's the principle of how chorus is usually done. However the 'motionless' chorus of the Dimension C is because it used two delay lines, which are described as 'being out of phase with each other.'frantic_fingers wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 6:02 pm from what I gather, it delays the signal about 35 ms and uses a low-frequency oscillator to vary that delay time back and forth, then re-introduces the original signal to the delayed signal. the result is a doubling effect at different delay times to make what could be described as "motionless chorus".
That could possiblyy be interpreted a couple of ways, but looking at a block diagram of the Waza version, and some notes on a clone, there's a single LFO, and that modulates both delay lines, but with the modulation inverted on one of them.
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